JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[robbedagain]

CB. When u folks are in talks how long per day do you sit n talk? Also do u folks make a joint decision on the place n time for the talks w mgmt

 

[WeAAsles]

What’s hard to follow about my post? I want you to tell everyone on here and me, what we said in the break rooms about stalling talks. Your the one that said we both wanted to go to section 6. When did we state this? And what’s our reasoning for it. You seemed to be very knowledgeable on your Facebook post about it. You threw it out there on your Facebook page, now back it up. You do remember what you said don’t you. Answer my question so we can get back to discussing negotiations.

Oh wait a minute here, wait a minute. I think I got that one?

My peeps send me lots of stuff.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Oh wait a minute here, wait a minute. I think I got that one?

My peeps send me lots of stuff.

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yea, democracy is good. Keeps peeps accountable. Win or lose. The clt agc fairbanks reinterpreted back to back part time and now fleet loses. Baskett goes along with mike, even gave envoy all their seniority in clp in dfw. Sad.

 

[Tim Nelson]

CB. When u folks are in talks how long per day do you sit n talk? Also do u folks make a joint decision on the place n time for the talks w mgmt

they aren't even in the room. They talk to eachother, fantasy football, etc. Only Sito and Tommy Reagon are in the room for us, i.e., 2 mechanics.

 

[737823]

they aren't even in the room. They talk to eachother, fantasy football, etc. Only Sito and Tommy Reagon are in the room for us, i.e., 2 mechanics.

Tim was Tim Klima an AMT or ESC (equipment service clerk) at NWA? Has Delta allowed him to continue to accrue occupational time or is the IAM his full time gig now? Amazing AA was willing to keep so many of the former TWA guys who essentially made the IAM their full time career. Maybe Sito will go visit his TWA brothers who weren’t as fortunate as him if he is in STL for the AFL-CIO convention.

Josh

 

[Traymark]

Assuming it isn't spent in weekly doctor's visits... ever have young kids?

Yep , 3 kids, they're all in college now(which isn't inexpensive), but yeah, they were young once.

Just to explain myself... I went "political" because it adds to my bona fidas as I am a conservative, but I disagree as conservatives' support of HSAs as being some great healthcare coverage panacea. HSAs have been a gimmick (and one of the few healthcare related changes backed by the GOP) to make it appear as if the GOP has been making huge steps in healthcare reform because so few will actually benefit from their creation. How would a single parent with a couple of kids earning around $25,000 a year save enough to fund the HSA while making frequent visits to doctor's offices? So they can "save" on the high deductible plan monthly premiums $150/month, but then pay for frequent doctor's visits from an HSA account they cannot fund? What would then be the TRUE costs of insurance (and healthcare) when accounting for premiums and out-of-pocket expenses?

It is pretty obvious that the narrative "If-Only-People-Used-Healthcare-Less-Often-Then-Insurance-Premiums-would-Decline" works well into the meme of HSA acceptance, but darn those ill and sickly people who run-up the costs for everyone else, right?

The part I highlighted is a kind of a thing with me. You see, when I as a younger guy and thinking about how I would raise a family , which I sorely wanted to do, I knew this: I couldn't even begin to think about having one unless and until I could afford it. Really weird idea I know but thats me.

I'll bet that single parent making $25k per year has an iPhone as well as all their kids , wifi piped throughout the house, and a nice large tv in every room and a healthy cable tv bill to boot.

I also wonder about all the folks that have frequent doctor visits and chronic conditions, obviously not all fit into this group but, how many of them life-styled their way into those conditions. Health insurance would be more affordable and accessible if there were less of those folks making poor decisions that end costing the rest of us more because they insist they must smoke or keep eating until diabetes sets in or keep drinking until their liver says F- it.

At some point people need to take responsibility instead of insisting on AA or any other company to take care of and fix their ills for them. It won't happen overnight, it will have to be a generational change but it has to start somewhere, sometime with something, HSA's is a very good start to changing lifestyles for the better.

 

[charlie Brown]

Yea I figured you wouldn't answer my question. There is an audience here and I thought you would answer it. Oh well.

BTW, you mentioned that you are fighting. How? Please tell us exactly how you guys are fighting? You aren't even the voice of CLT in negotiations because you aren't in negotiations. You get everything second hand. You aren't there. You are down the hall or in another building. Sad. So we are stuck with two mechanics negotiating for us, Sito and Tommy. Good job! At least Peterson demanded someone from his group be in the executive talks.

Hey, for the first time in 32 years, we finally have pilots that support our Association and picket with us. Did you know that?
For the first time we have stews picketing with us. We have Labor Councils. Cripes, we even have amfa but then I look at my own union and the IAM is standing down. Stalling is what that is. Sure the company is as well because that is the exact sorta thing I would expect if a union is standing down and not supporting our Association.

At any rate, nobody can stop you guys from standing down but that's my views and I think my views are backed up with your inactions. Prove me wrong, I'd really love that! But you guys aren't fighting. You are stalling. I don't have to hear you say it, I know by your inactions. Sorry CB, I really am.

I'm going to get you guys to picket soon. very soon.

Tim
We do have an audience here, and they have seen you now post after post try to redirect the conversation so you don’t have to answer my questions about what we said in clt. It is obvious you don’t have a clue, just like I said, you have zero info on why was said in clt by us. So I’ll tell you again , same as I told you a few years back. You want to spread some BS rumors about any of us and what we say in break rooms, then why not call or text us so you can get correct info from the source. If you really care about giving out correct info to the membership. But obviously you don’t. Again not sure why you think you can just ignore a issue that you spoke wrong about and the people don’t realize what you are doing.
And you are wrong again my friend that we are not the voice of Clt. I have personally set in on several of the sessions of the executive team. Again you don’t have a clue what you are talking about. And the whole committee looks over every proposal that the executive does.
By they way, I’m pretty sure you posted several weeks ago that Fleet was done anyway didn’t ya. So there is really no need for any of us to worry about sitting in with the executive team is there. Sure wish you would enlighten us on the scope and other things so we could go ahead and wrap this up.

 

[charlie Brown]

CB. When u folks are in talks how long per day do you sit n talk? Also do u folks make a joint decision on the place n time for the talks w mgmt

Hours per day depend on the progress. We are usually in there from about 8:30 to a little after 5:00. But you can have days that’s much longer if good progress is being made. And we do have a few from both the company and union that schedule when and where.

 

[wings396]

CB, I just want to chime in here about one issue that's said to be taking place in CLT. Are the claims of the back to back to back PT shifts correct? Just asking because if that's the case, it could spread across the system.

 

[Kev3188]

I can wear shorts in January.

I can too.

...Just not outside...

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim
We do have an audience here, and they have seen you now post after post try to redirect the conversation so you don’t have to answer my questions about what we said in clt. It is obvious you don’t have a clue, just like I said, you have zero info on why was said in clt by us. So I’ll tell you again , same as I told you a few years back. You want to spread some BS rumors about any of us and what we say in break rooms, then why not call or text us so you can get correct info from the source. If you really care about giving out correct info to the membership. But obviously you don’t. Again not sure why you think you can just ignore a issue that you spoke wrong about and the people don’t realize what you are doing.
And you are wrong again my friend that we are not the voice of Clt. I have personally set in on several of the sessions of the executive team. Again you don’t have a clue what you are talking about. And the whole committee looks over every proposal that the executive does.
By they way, I’m pretty sure you posted several weeks ago that Fleet was done anyway didn’t ya. So there is really no need for any of us to worry about sitting in with the executive team is there. Sure wish you would enlighten us on the scope and other things so we could go ahead and wrap this up.

CB,
Why do i have to call you when your actions of stalling are convinging? Oh yea, you guys are certainly stalling. I dont buy your fake narrative that picketing could be detrimental. Im going to force you guys to finally start supporting our association picketing. Believe me, you will be picketing very soon.

As far as your other fake narrative that the twu isnt really interested in our health care, you are really driving a wedge and being detrimental to progress. I work next to 1300 twu peeps and so i know you are full of s. You can tell clt that the twu doesnt want our health care but come up here and say it.

Next time you are in ord i will take you into the laa breakrooms and you can ask them why they dont want our health care. I can guarantee you that everyone i talked to here in ord really would love our health care. Instead you put the hit on the twu backs like they all have leprosy with your fake narrative that the enemy is the twu. Smh. Your strongest supporters are on my page but they all disagree with the iam not supporting our association picketing. Sad.

 

[Tim Nelson]

CB, I just want to chime in here about one issue that's said to be taking place in CLT. Are the claims of the back to back to back PT shifts correct? Just asking because if that's the case, it could spread across the system.

Wings, fairbanks einterpreted back to back for new management. Its pretty much going systemwide no thanks to cb not fighting on it. In clt, cb has no problem with Team 1 0515-1015,1015,1645,1645-2315. Lower end of b con. And other Teams. These guys dont fight. Zero. Not surprisingly, he refuses to answer my question when i asked exactly how is he fighting? He said in his email blasting me that he is fighting. Lol. Dude, our association has been picketing left and right but these guys wont join our own picket. They are stalling.

 

[WeAAsles]

Dude, our association has been picketing left and right but these guys wont join our own picket. They are stalling.

Actually it’s the TWU that’s been putting in the time, money and effort to picket. Joined in by others with great appreciation. I haven’t seen any official IAM or Association pickets as of yet.

 

[cltrat]

we were briefed last night in CLT about negs, Fairbanks and Baskett were there but th briefing was held by Regan who says he is at every negotiation and at the table .I see no reason not to believe him.

 

[WeAAsles]

we were briefed last night in CLT about negs, Fairbanks and Baskett were there but th briefing was held by Regan who says he is at every negotiation and at the table .I see no reason not to believe him.

Did anyone say to you that the TWU or our Negotiators are not interested in paying less for better Medical coverage? (The thought alone being quite nuts)

And any word on whether or not IAM will be joining picketing or even commencing picketing of their own perhaps in CLT?