JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Jester]

Look at it this way, PTers are getting the same benefit as a FTer and working less hours for it

I would agree with that in having a more "balanced" approached to seeing Management's POV on financial and efficiency matters. While I very much appreciate the flexibility on our abilities to pick-up, drop or swap days, I understand it will lead to so-called "ghost employees" and the Company carrying the fixed costs of health care insurance and other benefits with little in the way of productivity.

I continue to advocate a floating premium based upon average weekly hours worked calculated biannually to determine employee health insurance contribution. For example, work over 30 hours a week on average one would pay the lower full-time rate regardless of the official status of being part-time or full-time, and of course, work under 30 hours a week on average then pay the higher rate.

 

[bob@las-AA]

This is a side by side of the Medical. Enjoy.

 

[Albert]

I will respectfully agree to disagree

I have said this many times , maybe somewhere in the tech field. Find me another PT job that pays $30 has medical, flight and pension benefits. Also is as flexible as a mofuc and if you want to work extra hours could make 80 thousand+ to boot. I dont want to hear about your cousins friend who works for this lawyer who.....

 

[Steve Walegir]

AANOTOK or any DFW peeps. Just wondering what you think about this?

Honestly I appreciate his willingness to take an active role with the membership and knowing him personally he has a good heart and good intentions but he was in over his head. Juggling family life with union responsibilities is very difficult. I thank him for his efforts and hope in the future he trys again but we have some quality people ready to assume his place. Am I shocked? No. Disappoint? No. People need to realize it's a 24/7 responsibility

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[B737 driver]

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This is a side by side of the Medical. Enjoy.

Us air better than SWA, American almost like SWA cost same slightly higher deductible.

 

[Steve Walegir]

I would agree with that in having a more "balanced" approached to seeing Management's POV on financial and efficiency matters. While I very much appreciate the flexibility on our abilities to pick-up, drop or swap days, I understand it will lead to so-called "ghost employees" and the Company carrying the fixed costs of health care insurance and other benefits with little in the way of productivity.

I continue to advocate a floating premium based upon average weekly hours worked calculated biannually to determine employee health insurance contribution. For example, work over 30 hours a week on average one would pay the lower full-time rate regardless of the official status of being part-time or full-time, and of course, work under 30 hours a week on average then pay the higher rate.

I would say that isn't a terrible option, considering it doesn't penalize the person who wants to be ft but due to seniority circumstances can't (mostly in small downline station's) and only affects the " I'm only here for the Benifits, I have another job" person.
My suggestion to fix all of this is eliminating all PT. This is either your #1 job or it isn't. But I know at least on the LAA side, that horse left the barn in 1983

 

[bob@las-AA]

Us air better than SWA, American almost like SWA cost same slightly higher deductible.

Yep, and everyone is saying, fight for LUS insurance, for what, it's almost even money.

 

[Steve Walegir]

I have said this many times , maybe somewhere in the tech field. Find me another PT job that pays $30 has medical, flight and pension benefits. Also is as flexible as a mofuc and if you want to work extra hours could make 80 thousand+ to boot. I dont want to hear about your cousins friend who works for this lawyer who.....

I don't speak to my cousins so I won't use them as an example.
From 1991-2005 I worked in PHX for LAA. I was PT the entire time, not because I wanted to only be pt, but it was a retirement home for LAA. I worked my a$$ off to make up the hours. My vacation pay was always 8 hours per day as a result. Those who live somewhere who want ft but can't get it but put in their hours should be afforded the same price as those old enough and lucky enough to be ft. I realize this is an extreme example but it's what I lived. I think those who are only here for the Benifits and work nothing should pay more but not for those who prove they are 100% committed to the job. But to answer your other question, I don't know of any other job with this flexibility except expert day traders, sadly I'm not one of them

 

[Jester]

My suggestion to fix all of this is eliminating all PT. This is either your #1 job or it isn't. But I know at least on the LAA side, that horse left the barn in 1983

Operationally it would be extremely inefficient as the nature of hub-and-spoke airline operations are peaks and valleys of flights. Consider it like a restaurant where lunch and dinner requires far more food servers than between than between the hours of 2 p.m. and 6 p.m., but our people are making $30/hour vs. minimum wage plus tips.

 

[WeAAsles]

I'd agree with your assessment on Chino Steve. I wish more would do the research on running for a position though to decide if they think they can do the job first before they put their names in that hat.

 

[AANOTOK]

There is a touch more to it than that, but that part is true. We will leave it at that.

 

[WeAAsles]

There is a touch more to it than that, but that part is true. We will leave it at that.

I know. But I have no reason to besmirch the man. We'll just leave it at that too.

 

[Talos]

Considering the number of Pt'ers you currently have in Miami and the seeming desire by management to add to the percentages systemwide, making them pay more for the same coverages is wrong in so many different ways. What happens when they try to push for more then 50% PT? Eventually it will get to people who think they are immune. There should be no difference in price regardless of status. The only difference in price should be for different coverages. From someone who was PT for too long the unfortunate reality, especially in smaller stations was that PT was inferior employees, well they aren't. Work rules are what they are, but if I they get the same medical coverage as ft then the cost should be the same IMO

I wonder what the percentages are of full time to part time at LAA and LUS ? You screw the part timers and the company will just want more of them. I heard they want a lot more now, and that is not good. Some stations have a large percentage of PT.

 

[WeAAsles]

Operationally it would be extremely inefficient as the nature of hub-and-spoke airline operations are peaks and valleys of flights. Consider it like a restaurant where lunch and dinner requires far more food servers than between than between the hours of 2 p.m. and 6 p.m., but our people are making $30/hour vs. minimum wage plus tips.

That's not true Jester. They have the ability to reach $30/hour but most are far from there yet. And remember if it sticks we now have an 11 year scale for them to get there. Because of that here in MIA (Where most PT exists in the system) we already have quite a few peeved off kids. Originally they were placed on the third scale of a 9 year scale for a total of 6 years from hire in to topped out.

 

[Albert]

That's not true Jester. They have the ability to reach $30/hour but most are far from there yet. And remember if it sticks we now have an 11 year scale for them to get there. Because of that here in MIA (Where most PT exists in the system) we already have quite a few peeved off kids. Originally they were placed on the third scale of a 9 year scale for a total of 6 years from hire in to topped out.

Weez.... "let them eat cake"