JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

I recall about 5 years ago, someone from this forum obtained a "bootleg" AA seniority list and I believe, as an example that an individual with about 15 years was at the bottom 30% for ramp agents system wide. As AA tops out at 11 year scale, I suspect about 80% would be earning $30/hour today. Granted there has been a pretty good hiring streak in the last couple of years, especially in the hubs, so those numbers might have changed but still the majority would be at the $30/hour mark.

That integrated Seniority list is searchable on the Association website.

Edit: http://www.usaamerger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Fleet-1.pdf

 

[pjirish317]

PJ I'm sorry but no it's not. It's a shuffling of the deck financially. If your Medical went up let's say $200 per month on average but you received raises equaling $500 per month, you still have a net gain of $300 per month or $3600 per year. Financially you're making no concession.

Besides I'd like to think by now the issue has been decided? I'm not comfortable if it wasn't with supporting our TWU PTers paying double (even if they were paying less than currently) to subsidize those Medical rates you enjoy. We already enjoy great wages and benefits somewhat off the backs of subcontractors doing some of our old work. I don't want it staring me more in the face than it does now.

Weez,
With your numbers here, I just lost $46 a month/$552 a year with the LAA medical. To keep a plan that is comperable to what I have now. How is that not a concession? And what incentive does a P/T employee have to go F/T if everything were the same? Should a P/T employee who is "junior" to you get better shifts/days off, better vacations, and pay the same medical premiums just because they don't want to go F/T? Or they stay P/T just because they do not have the seniority to get those shifts/days off and vacations they want. I'm sorry, but I will disagree with you, there has to be some benefit to being F/T over P/T. If that is more medical insurance premiums, then so be it. There has to be an incentive to go F/T over P/T. I'm jst not ok with somebody getting all the benefits for (scheduled) 1/2 the work. And yes there are certain circumstances where being P/T isn't a choice, I get that, but I would venture a guess that most are P/T by choice.

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This is a side by side of the Medical. Enjoy.

Bob,

Does the LAA insurance only have the 80/20 plans? Because if that is the case and I opt for a plan that is comperable to my LUS 80/20 plan, my rates would go up $546 and change.

 

[pjirish317]

I just do not understand the LAA folks and their Stockholm Syndrome with the LAA insurance? Bob posted the numbers. And if all you guys have is an 80/20 plan, either standard or value, you could get the LUS 90/10 plan and still get a little money in your check with better coverage. Why wouldn't the LAA people want that? Thanks Bob for posting a comparison.

 

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Remember kids, Monday October 9th is Columbus day. Our LUS coworkers will be enjoying double time. While we plug away at straight time, missing out on another holiday.

 

[NYer]

I just do not understand the LAA folks and their Stockholm Syndrome with the LAA insurance? Bob posted the numbers. And if all you guys have is an 80/20 plan, either standard or value, you could get the LUS 90/10 plan and still get a little money in your check with better coverage. Why wouldn't the LAA people want that? Thanks Bob for posting a comparison.

The LAA side would love to have a cheaper medical. The issue isn't about desire, it's about the probability of getting it. After seeing all the other unions get that current LAA medical and considering the rest of the industry is closer to the LAA cost structure rather than the LUS cost structure the consensus seems to be that we will all have the LAA medical.

What most don't admit is that if the roles were reversed, the LAA side would also want to slooooow things down and fight for what we have.

Since we don't have it, our perspective is about gaining what we don't have like more holidays, more sick days, ect.

 

[WeAAsles]

Remember kids, Monday October 9th is Columbus day. Our LUS coworkers will be enjoying double time. While we plug away at straight time, missing out on another holiday.

They don't care. They have theirs and that's all they're concerned about. They won't advocate for us.

 

[WeAAsles]

I just do not understand the LAA folks and their Stockholm Syndrome with the LAA insurance? Bob posted the numbers. And if all you guys have is an 80/20 plan, either standard or value, you could get the LUS 90/10 plan and still get a little money in your check with better coverage. Why wouldn't the LAA people want that? Thanks Bob for posting a comparison.

Have I or have I not advocated for at least a compromise between all parties on the Medical as far as costs? But you aren't budging even after you have received over $1600.00 per month in wage increases the last few years. I see something just slightly wrong with that picture.

Oh and again just to be 100% clear. I WILL NOT vote to screw any of the people (Part timers) I work with. And yes I AM a part of that majority if any of you tried to get me to vote to do it.

 

[Albert]

They don't care. They have theirs and that's all they're concerned about. They won't advocate for us.

Ooh harsh words considering it isn't a holiday, at least for fleet

 

[bob@las-AA]

Have I or have I not advocated for at least a compromise between all parties on the Medical as far as costs? But you aren't budging even after you have received over $1600.00 per month in wage increases the last few years. I see something just slightly wrong with that picture.

Oh and again just to be 100% clear. I WILL NOT vote to screw any of the people (Part timers) I work with. And yes I AM a part of that majority if any of you tried to get me to vote to do it.

Ya know what weez, I think the part-timers got it way too good, especially in the hubs. And as I was onece a PTer, I got "F"ed. So that system as someone mentioned in a earlier post has been in place since 1983. I feel no need to change things now. Look at the side by side I posted weez, a part-timer who is single only pays %11.18 more than a full-timer, I wouldn't consider this difference the screwing you describe. That's $0.24 per hour more, based on a 6 hour shift for 1560 hours a year. I will say this, having all the part-timers pay double per month would not lower the cost for full timers in the end.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Ooh harsh words considering it isn't a holiday, at least for fleet

Don't pay any attention to them Al, very few people bid on shifts with the hopes to work all the holidays, most want to just increase their odds of getting holiday pay by just merely increasing the number of the days holidays are paid.

 

[pjirish317]

The LAA side would love to have a cheaper medical. The issue isn't about desire, it's about the probability of getting it. After seeing all the other unions get that current LAA medical and considering the rest of the industry is closer to the LAA cost structure rather than the LUS cost structure the consensus seems to be that we will all have the LAA medical.

What most don't admit is that if the roles were reversed, the LAA side would also want to slooooow things down and fight for what we have.

Since we don't have it, our perspective is about gaining what we don't have like more holidays, more sick days, ect.

NYer,

Thank you for being honest. I agree with what you say 100%. I just can't see why you guys don't fight for the better medical, instead of giving up on it. Because it seems that way to me with the above statement.

They don't care. They have theirs and that's all they're concerned about. They won't advocate for us.

Weez,

I absolutely think you guys should have the same stuff as we do. Contractually you do not though. How am I going to advocate that you guys have the same as us when their are 2 vastly different CBA's? That will not change until a JCBA is reached, and yes I hope sooner rather than later. I just do not want to get one just for the sake OF getting one. KNOWWHATIMEAN? As I said before, If we give anything up during these negotiations, ANYTHING AT ALL, what do you think the company will do next time around when the money isn't rolling in as it is now? Millions instead of billions. They will remind us that we "gave" up the better medical during great times, so what are we going to give up now that the times aren't so great? See my point? This isn't a live to fight another day type of thing. We should be fighting now for all that we can get.

 

[WeAAsles]

Ya know what weez, I think the part-timers got it way too good, especially in the hubs. And as I was onece a PTer, I got "F"ed. So that system as someone mentioned in a earlier post has been in place since 1983. I feel no need to change things now. Look at the side by side I posted weez, a part-timer who is single only pays %11.18 more than a full-timer, I wouldn't consider this difference the screwing you describe. That's $0.24 per hour more, based on a 6 hour shift for 1560 hours a year. I will say this, having all the part-timers pay double per month would not lower the cost for full timers in the end.

"Do not judge others else you yourself will be judged mightily harsher" Or something to that effect.

#1 Bob there are some PTers out there who have pimples on their asses they've had longer than you've been in the Company.

#2 I "think" the topic is moot anyway? US guys wanted to get to the end of the road to get one more year of El fairly Cheapo Medical and they made it across the finish line. I have a feeling the Medical talks are concluded. -----------------------

 

[Albert]

"Do not judge others else you yourself will be judged mightily harsher" Or something to that effect.

#1 Bob there are some PTers out there who have pimples on their asses they've had longer than you've been in the Company.

#2 I "think" the topic is moot anyway? US guys wanted to get to the end of the road to get one more year of El fairly Cheapo Medical and they made it across the finish line. I have a feeling the Medical talks are concluded. -----------------------

Maybe we can hold it up and shoot for 2019 too. Although that might not be fair to our leads since they make less than your crew chiefs

 

[NYer]

NYer,

Thank you for being honest. I agree with what you say 100%. I just can't see why you guys don't fight for the better medical, instead of giving up on it. Because it seems that way to me with the above statement.

We fought for the medical since 2007.

During and after the bankruptcy, it became very apparent how the medical was their number 1 priority. Ever before the bankruptcy, when we were in mediation, the representative from the NMB made it very clear that the country is changing and they were not going to declare for an impasse on the basis of our position on the pension and the medical.

Since then, the medical has been shoved down every union's throat, on the property, when their negotiations ended with a CBA. Aside from that, other unions in the industry also accepted inferior medical from what they had which will just make it more of a priority for the Company and a bigger challenge for us.

If we had the medical, we'd probably be on the same wavelength in order to keep it. We aren't in that position so we're concentrating on trying to get enhancements in other areas, especially those currently enjoyed by the IAM in LUS.

 

[bob@las-AA]

"Do not judge others else you yourself will be judged mightily harsher" Or something to that effect.

#1 Bob there are some PTers out there who have pimples on their asses they've had longer than you've been in the Company.

#2 I "think" the topic is moot anyway? US guys wanted to get to the end of the road to get one more year of El fairly Cheapo Medical and they made it across the finish line. I have a feeling the Medical talks are concluded. -----------------------

Realy! And just how would you judge me, yes I am judgemental. I know you like to be the Mr. Rogers on this forum, and I do find it entertaining that you're spewing rainbows and unicorns on the things you and all of us will be voting on eventually. But you dismiss what I say as moot? As far as the LUS camp getting the less expensive Ins, as far as I concerned, let them keep it for good. And as far as the part time thing, you might take notice from the up dates, that subject hasn't been TAed yet buddy boy.