JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[NYer]

I may be wrong but I don't recall the other groups receiving a signing bonus. I THOUGHT the LUS F/A's got a supplement check to help offset the increase in healthcare premiums.

United: "This confirms our understanding and agreement regarding lump sum payments to eligible employees within the Central Load Planners, Fleet Service Employees, Fleet Technical Instructors and Related Employees, Food Service, Maintenance Instructors, Passenger Service Employees, Security Officers, and Storekeepers crafts and classes (the “Eligible Crafts and Classes”) in connection with the ratification and execution of the tentative agreements dated April 4, 2016."

 

[WeAAsles]

Do you remember if the other groups received a signing bonus?If they didn't cross that off. Also $32 sounds kind of on the high end, maybe if you include differential.

$32 would be reasonable. Remember we're getting a raise next month that places us at around $30.80. 4% from there equals just about at $32.00 on the nose.

No other groups received "signing bonuses". But to help make sure the deal is cemented and the Company can finally move forward with all integration plans and Airline adjustments, I wouldn't be surprised to see one at all?

 

[WeAAsles]

United: "This confirms our understanding and agreement regarding lump sum payments to eligible employees within the Central Load Planners, Fleet Service Employees, Fleet Technical Instructors and Related Employees, Food Service, Maintenance Instructors, Passenger Service Employees, Security Officers, and Storekeepers crafts and classes (the “Eligible Crafts and Classes”) in connection with the ratification and execution of the tentative agreements dated April 4, 2016."

That was at UAL yes. I think they were asking about Pilots, FA's and PSA actually?

"Signing bonus = the sticky lure they put on Fly paper"

 

[WeAAsles]

If the company wanted to have large number of PT esp for OT whats to stop FT from basically dropping to PT for the purpose of doing OT

PT Members would not receive OT pay until they reach 40 hours in a week or 8 hours for the day worked.

Everything below would be paid at straight time rates.

We do have PT extension on our side TWU anyway which does bear some similarities to individual PTers requesting to work extra hours.

But PT changes "could" place more people into a position where the Company won't be required to shift them to FT status sooner rather than later? A new hire "could" have to wallow in the lower status a lot longer than he or she would have preferred? (Depending on PT language changes of course)

 

[AANOTOK]

That was at UAL yes. I think they were asking about Pilots, FA's and PSA actually?

"Signing bonus = the sticky lure they put on Fly paper"

I thought Al was asking about OUR work groups. That is what I replied to.

 

[Albert]

$32 would be reasonable. Remember we're getting a raise next month that places us at around $30.80. 4% from there equals just about at $32.00 on the nose.

No other groups received "signing bonuses". But to help make sure the deal is cemented and the Company can finally move forward with all integration plans and Airline adjustments, I wouldn't be surprised to see one at all?

I thought it would be 3% above UAL's December $30.43 plus 55 cents differential. So yeah pretty close

 

[Albert]

PT Members would not receive OT pay until they reach 40 hours in a week or 8 hours for the day worked.

Everything below would be paid at straight time rates.

We do have PT extension on our side TWU anyway which does bear some similarities to individual PTers requesting to work extra hours.

But PT changes "could" place more people into a position where the Company won't be required to shift them to FT status sooner rather than later? A new hire "could" have to wallow in the lower status a lot longer than he or she would have preferred? (Depending on PT language changes of course)

Sounds like all company is doing is maybe saving a few bucks and gaining some flexibility not sure if that would be a sticking point

 

[WeAAsles]

I thought it would be 3% above UAL's December $30.43 plus 55 cents differential. So yeah pretty close

You're too focused on that 3% mantra Al.

It's quite alright to think larger.

 

[NYer]

Do you remember if the other groups received a signing bonus?If they didn't cross that off. Also $32 sounds kind of on the high end, maybe if you include differential.

--UA received a lump sum.

--The wage target was UA +3% (since they passed Delta on wages). On the Fleet side, we go to 30.80 in September, while UA goes to $30.47 in December. If we go to $32, then it may be with the differential or we will go higher than the 3% above UA rates...

 

[NYer]

Sounds like all company is doing is maybe saving a few bucks and gaining some flexibility not sure if that would be a sticking point

It would be something most on the LAA side would have a philosophical issue with as well as those that will be negatively impacted financially. Many would rather keep the $30.80 with OT than getting $32 with the OT impacted.

 

[WeAAsles]

It would be something most on the LAA side would have a philosophical issue with as well as those that will be negatively impacted financially. Many would rather keep the $30.80 with OT than getting $32 with the OT impacted.

Just merely in keeping with this conversation.

If that was the only factor you could make a good argument for that position.

But add in more Holliday's (at improved pay) Sick Bank, Shift Dif, Penalty hours (Shift Continuation) and maybe even another week or two Vacation (Flexibility for DAT days also) and you do realize that the BASE pay of a TOS Ramp agent comes out to over $70,000 per year.

It would be a loss to many who have the OT addiction yes, but all in all the rest is just too solid to ignore.

 

[WeAAsles]

It would be something most on the LAA side would have a philosophical issue with as well as those that will be negatively impacted financially. Many would rather keep the $30.80 with OT than getting $32 with the OT impacted.

Philosophy doesn't pay my bills BTW.

But I don't want Management being able to direct me to work on the Ramp either. Philosophically speaking of course.

 

[NYer]

Just merely in keeping with this conversation.

If that was the only factor you could make a good argument for that position.

But add in more Holliday's (at improved pay) Sick Bank, Shift Dif, Penalty hours (Shift Continuation) and maybe even another week or two Vacation (Flexibility for DAT days also) and you do realize that the BASE pay of a TOS Ramp agent comes out to over $70,000 per year.

It would be a loss to many who have the OT addiction yes, but all in all the rest is just too solid to ignore.

Says the FSC who does not CS and does not work OT.

 

[WeAAsles]

Says the FSC who does not CS and does not OT.

Correct. But you also make it sound as if our Members are a pathetically desperate group of money hungry broke vagabonds quite honestly.

There will still be OT for those FT members who want "some". But no I doubt the Company will be doling out any more 8 hour F'en "Unsafe" holdovers in the future when the OT changes go into effect?

I'm hoping to see PH/Shift Continuance make a grand comeback? That's a very NICE little extra kick in the paycheck there and quite reasonable.

And let's not be hatin too much on our PT Brothers and Sisters shall we. Many of them voted for you ya know.

 

[NYer]

Correct. But you also make it sound as if our Members are a pathetically desperate group of money hungry broke vagabonds quite honestly.

There will still be OT for those FT members who want "some". But no I doubt the Company will be doling out any more 8 hour F'en "Unsafe" holdovers in the future when the OT changes go into effect?

I'm hoping to see PH/Shift Continuance make a grand comeback? That's a very NICE little extra kick in the paycheck there and quite reasonable.

And let's not be hatin too much on our PT Brothers and Sisters shall we. Many of them voted for you ya know.

Someone who doesn't work CS's or OT trying to convince others of how the loss of current CS or OT language is no big deal.

Duly noted.

This is where you change the subject.