JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

Someone who doesn't work CS's or OT trying to convince others of how the loss of current CS or OT language is no big deal.

Duly noted.

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This is where you change the subject.

Why would I change the subject? Actually this is a good thing to discuss here.

Do you know if PT will be able to sign up for Day Off OT in the JCBA? What will the restrictions be for the number of PT the Company can employ? Will any new language restrict that percentage further than it is currently in both languages?

I DO NOT do OT or CS work you're right. But I am a voting member and am not too interested in OT "GREED" maybe squashing a decent TA for ALL the collective Members of the Association.

You advocate and support what's best for you, and I'll do the same.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

I was told by a TWU friend in a very high place that what Tim wrote is BS.

Make a note of what he wrote cause he's claimed to have room leakers in the past and he was DEAD wrong on that last IAM agreement?

i don't know either way, i'm not sure what he meant. one or maybe both??

as far as the rest..for a group that considers losing their insurance, more than just a 'concession' (i agree with them)...the thinking is small in regards to what aa will pay us for that.

aa will get some things, assuming the insurance and lead vs c/c language.

3% above ua is absurd..considering aa is getting some 'concessions' and ua also has a much more generous profit sharing program along with differential. the only way that aa can make up the difference for gaining those 'concessions' is through wages/compensation. they will have to pay a premium above.

some quarters now ua is the 4th most profitable airline and 'going for great' wants to pay us 3% above the 4th most profitable airline? thanks but no thanks.

as far as the OT and CS nonsense. i don't care about either. the current CS policy has artificially allowed 4 yr. P/Ters to bid better shifts (am hrs. & easier work areas) and get better days off, while working 40 hrs with CSing than F/Ters with 30 years. out of control nonsense and the scams keep getting more creative.

personally, i hope the CS policy becomes very strict. it will end alot of nonsense. as far as the OT, i agree that F/Ters should rule that roost, but i do recall groundswell movements to not sign up for OT and executive board members rushing to sign up.

 

[WeAAsles]

BTW NYer kind of seriously hypocritical that you would mourn the possible loss of an item in our contract that creates economic value for TWU Members.

But you do not mourn the loss of another item for IAM Members that creates economic value for their pockets in the better subsidized Medical rates they enjoy currently.

All's well that ends well I guess "IF" the IAM is going to lose one, the TWU is going to lose one also?

And at the end of the day they call that

"Negotiations"

 

[WeAAsles]

i don't know either way, i'm not sure what he meant. one or maybe both??

as far as the rest..for a group that considers losing their insurance, more than just a 'concession' (i agree with them)...the thinking is small in regards to what aa will pay us for that.

aa will get some things, assuming the insurance and lead vs c/c language.

3% above ua is absurd..considering aa is getting some 'concessions' and ua also has a much more generous profit sharing program along with differential. the only way that aa can make up the difference for gaining those 'concessions' is through wages/compensation. they will have to pay a premium above.

some quarters now ua is the 4th most profitable airline and 'going for great' wants to pay us 3% above the 4th most profitable airline? thanks but no thanks.

as far as the OT and CS nonsense. i don't care about either. the current CS policy has artificially allowed 4 yr. P/Ters to bid better shifts (am hrs. & easier work areas) and get better days off, while working 40 hrs with CSing than F/Ters with 30 years. out of control nonsense and the scams keep getting more creative.

personally, i hope the CS policy becomes very strict. it will end alot of nonsense. as far as the OT, i agree that F/Ters should rule that roost, but i do recall groundswell movements to not sign up for OT and executive board members rushing to sign up.

Ouch man, ouch.

 

[AANOTOK]

Sorry NYer, I'm with W on this one. For a baggage handler, we make damn good money.
Not only is it decent money, it's gonna get even better. While I can understand some folks issues with
the CS Policy, the OT agreement is way down the list of items I'm concerned about. It's nice to have if some situations arise that you need a fair amount of money in a short period of time, but I know folks (and I don't know if they need or just want it, not my business) who work OT every day, even their day off. They won't even entertain the thought of working a CS until the OT has dried up. And these are folks who worked OT during the union led ban on OT. If those are the folks you are defending or speaking of, well, I feel for them, but I won't defend them. I will also say again imo, the majority would rather do their 40 and go home. And just like the healthcare situation, I don't think OT rules will be a major concern for the "Majority".

 

[NYer]

BTW NYer kind of seriously hypocritical that you would mourn the possible loss of an item in our contract that creates economic value for TWU Members.

But you do not mourn the loss of another item for IAM Members that creates economic value for their pockets in the better subsidized Medical rates they enjoy currently.

All's well that ends well I guess "IF" the IAM is going to lose one, the TWU is going to lose one also?

And at the end of the day they call that

"Negotiations"

Losing an item that creates economic value?
...it's getting harder to reach that tail you keep running after.

 

[WeAAsles]

Losing an item that creates economic value?
...it's getting harder to reach that tail you keep running after.

I'm sorry but you are being hypocritical. Insulting me doesn't change that fact.

 

[NYer]

Sorry NYer, I'm with W on this one. For a baggage handler, we make damn good money.
Not only is it decent money, it's gonna get even better. While I can understand some folks issues with
the CS Policy, the OT agreement is way down the list of items I'm concerned about. It's nice to have if some situations arise that you need a fair amount of money in a short period of time, but I know folks (and I don't know if they need or just want it, not my business) who work OT every day, even their day off. They won't even entertain the thought of working a CS until the OT has dried up. And these are folks who worked OT during the union led ban on OT. If those are the folks you are defending or speaking of, well, I feel for them, but I won't defend them. I will also say again imo, the majority would rather do their 40 and go home. And just like the healthcare situation, I don't think OT rules will be a major concern for the "Majority".

Usually, it is those that don't work the OT who believe it isn't a big deal.

 

[AANOTOK]

Usually, it is those that don't work the OT who believe it isn't a big deal.

You yourself stated that negotiations are about getting the best for the "Majority" of the members.
If that is indeed the case NYer, then why criticize those who do not work it or vote for it.

 

[Albert]

Usually, it is those that don't work the OT who believe it isn't a big deal.

That's it in a nutshell, they could probably put out a contract tomorrow that will pass but it won't be the best they could get. My opinion at least try for the best in everything

 

[NYer]

You yourself stated that negotiations are about getting the best for the "Majority" of the members.
If that is indeed the case NYer, then why criticize those who do not work it or vote for it.

Didn't criticize, just made an observation that usually those that downplay the importance of OT and CS's are usually those that don't work it.

In MIA, those are very important items as we have 35% of all the PTers in the system and about 90% of our grievances are related to OT.

I'm sure these are also important issues in cities with a high cost of living.

 

[WeAAsles]

Didn't criticize, just made an observation that usually those that downplay the importance of OT and CS's are usually those that don't work it.

In MIA, those are very important items as we have 35% of all the PTers in the system and about 90% of our grievances are related to OT.

I'm sure these are also important issues in cities with a high cost of living.

Sent to me in a text from a friend.

The IAM Constitution discourages the practice of working overtime. Does the TWU's read the same?

And no one should ever need overtime to survive. Learn to live within their means.

 

[AANOTOK]

That's it in a nutshell, they could probably put out a contract tomorrow that will pass but it won't be the best they could get. My opinion at least try for the best in everything

Wasn't that supposed to be the goal from the outset, Al?

 

[Albert]

Sent to me in a text from a friend.

The IAM Constitution discourages the practice of working overtime. Does the TWU's read the same?

And no one should ever need overtime to survive. Learn to live within their means.

Weez you and I are single it's easy for you(us) to say that. If it's in the IAM constitution they could go scratch. Try feeding a family of four on $20.56 hour. Overtime has always been there even in bankruptcy sure it dries up now and then but it is needed for the most part. Like it or not it usually factors in the great American dream

 

[WeAAsles]

That's it in a nutshell, they could probably put out a contract tomorrow that will pass but it won't be the best they could get. My opinion at least try for the best in everything

There is no such thing as the "best they could get" when it comes to Union Negotiations. Too much of a moving target depending on people's opinions of value importance.

They'll never be a contract that passes by 100% of the Membership voting yes. Can't please all.

Besides Al after a year and a half and will be coming up on two, how long IYO should they hold out for what you might think is best? Didn't P. Rez and CB both say they made improvements off of the high majority of every article agreed to.