JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

Weez you and I are single it's easy for you(us) to say that. If it's in the IAM constitution they could go scratch. Try feeding a family of four on $20.56 hour. Overtime has always been there even in bankruptcy sure it dries up now and then but it is needed for the most part. Like it or not it usually factors in the great American dream

I've read it before Al. What it says is basically the Union and Negotiators should strive to strike deals with the Conpanies they're at where the members won't HAVE to work OT.

I very much concur with that type of philosophy.

Oh and a business like the one we're in will always have plenty of OT to come by. But here's an ironic and funny catch.

We have Leaders out there that eschew the virtues of creating as many jobs as possible but then cry the spilt milk when the OT dries up? Huh? WTF? Can't have that cake and eat it too.

 

[WeAAsles]

Didn't criticize, just made an observation that usually those that downplay the importance of OT and CS's are usually those that don't work it.

In MIA, those are very important items as we have 35% of all the PTers in the system and about 90% of our grievances are related to OT.

I'm sure these are also important issues in cities with a high cost of living.

Again I ask do you even know what may or may not have been agreed to to be voted on? And I would think if at all possible if my TWU Local here was so concerned with the overwhelming hoard of PTers we have they would work harder to win the argument against Management that FT Members are better suited for the operation than PT are?

Besides I also believe MIA has more Clerks per Aircraft departure than any other Station in the AA system doesn't it? (Pays in jobs that the Airport is Third World construction)

And I'm not downplaying the importance of OT and CS's to the Members here and elsewhere. Just hate the idea of the economic servitude many put themselves in most by their own hand.

 

[Albert]

I've read it before Al. What it says is basically the Union and Negotiators should strive to strike deals with the Conpanies they're at where the members won't HAVE to work OT.

I very much concur with that type of philosophy.

Oh and a business like the one we're in will always have plenty of OT to come by. But here's an ironic and funny catch.

We have Leaders out there that eschew the virtues of creating as many jobs as possible but then cry the spilt milk when the OT dries up? Huh? WTF? Can't have that cake and eat it too.

I always said (and you disagree) take care of the people here first. Why hire an extra pizza delivery person full time when you only need him on Friday and Saturday in other words cover with overtime. If they do hire the extra guy and business is bad I would hope they would let him go before asking all the drivers to take a cut. Sound familiar?

 

[WeAAsles]

I always said (and you disagree) take care of the people here first. Why hire an extra pizza delivery person full time when you only need him on Friday and Saturday in other words cover with overtime. If they do hire the extra guy and business is bad I would hope they would let him go before asking all the drivers to take a cut. Sound familiar?

Al I have always and always will support balance. I'm not an out and out Capitalist or Socialist. I'm a moderate. I'd like more jobs because that creates more opportunities for us to work. I don't support tons and tons of extra heads sitting around twiddling their thumbs.

And I absolutely support OT. Just not a sickly and ungodly amount of it like Henry the Eighth with a gluttony bucket for his bile. Not looking (honestly) to support or cover the dude who needs a nap cause he works WAY WAY WAY too much. I'm not that much of my Brothers keeper.

"Many's the problem gotten into by people's own hands that I do not have to suffer"

 

[NYer]

Again I ask do you even know what may or may not have been agreed to to be voted on? And I would think if at all possible if my TWU Local here was so concerned with the overwhelming hoard of PTers we have they would work harder to win the argument against Management that FT Members are better suited for the operation than PT are?

Besides I also believe MIA has more Clerks per Aircraft departure than any other Station in the AA system doesn't it? (Pays in jobs that the Airport is Third World construction)

And I'm not downplaying the importance of OT and CS's to the Members here and elsewhere. Just hate the idea of the economic servitude many put themselves in most by their own hand.

Some Local administrations have been more successful than others in minimizing the amount of PTers. Getting any language that affords the Company an advantage to hold PTers in place of FTers only makes that task much more difficult.

 

[gulfcoast1]

One things that I do not see mentioned much but is very important imo is a midterm contract industry wage adjustment. LAA had it in the last agreement, and the FA's just got one. They actually got more than an arbitrator said they were due. Management did this on their own. Not sure if we would get more than average, but this is important and should be in any agreement.

Maybe Prez or CharlieBrown can at least say if we are requesting it. Without a midterm adjustment, it is could be a long 4 to 5 years with annual raises behind industry average if DL and UA leapfrog ahead..

 

[WeAAsles]

Some Local administrations have been more successful than others in minimizing the amount of PTers. Getting any language that affords the Company an advantage to hold PTers in place of FTers only makes that task much more difficult.

There's a line that a former TWU Rep used to use that someone wanted me to remind you of.

"You can't unscramble that egg now"

John Connelly.

Do you know if the OT language was a compromise between the IAM, TWU and the Company? Do you think you could have convinced otherwise? Seriously?

 

[NYer]

There's a line that a former TWU Rep used to use that someone wanted me to remind you of.

"You can't unscramble that egg now"

John Connelly.

Do you know if the OT language was a compromise between the IAM, TWU and the Company? Do you think you could have convinced otherwise? Seriously?

Not at all, just mentioning that it will not be a popular part of the JCBA if it is indeed included in the language. It may have been inevitable or unavoidable, but it will be unpopular just the same.

 

[ograc]

One things that I do not see mentioned much but is very important imo is a midterm contract industry wage adjustment. LAA had it in the last agreement, and the FA's just got one. They actually got more than an arbitrator said they were due. Management did this on their own. Not sure if we would get more than average, but this is important and should be in any agreement.

Maybe Prez or CharlieBrown can at least say if we are requesting it. Without a midterm adjustment, it is could be a long 4 to 5 years with annual raises behind industry average if DL and UA leapfrog ahead..

Midterm contract wage adjustment is an important issue. When you consider that contracts go, on average 2.5 years beyond their amendable date in this industry, before another contract is ratified, any Duration Article of 4+ years leaves you open to wage stagnation. Duration can effectively translate into 6-8 years before wage adjustments can be achieved. Only other option is a negotiated shorter Duration of a future JCBA.

 

[WeAAsles]

Not at all, just mentioning that it will not be a popular part of the JCBA if it is indeed included in the language. It may have been inevitable or unavoidable, but it will be unpopular just the same.

 

[Traymark]

Midterm contract wage adjustment is an important issue. When you consider that contracts go, on average 2.5 years beyond their amendable date in this industry, before another contract is ratified, any Duration Article of 4+ years leaves you open to wage stagnation. Duration can effectively translate into 6-8 years before wage adjustments can be achieved. Only other option is a negotiated shorter Duration of a future JCBA.

Not only should there be "mid term adjustment", there needs to be a "end of term wage clause" that automatically raises pay every 6 months by 3% until the contract is amended.
The 3 and 4 year contract negotiation is total and complete BS and this clause would effectively end the BS.
My guess is future contract negotiations will be much less complicated and nuanced with that clause in place.

 

[P. REZ]

One things that I do not see mentioned much but is very important imo is a midterm contract industry wage adjustment. LAA had it in the last agreement, and the FA's just got one. They actually got more than an arbitrator said they were due. Management did this on their own. Not sure if we would get more than average, but this is important and should be in any agreement.

Maybe Prez or CharlieBrown can at least say if we are requesting it. Without a midterm adjustment, it is could be a long 4 to 5 years with annual raises behind industry average if DL and UA leapfrog ahead..

gulfcoast1,

Yes we thought of that.

P. Rez

 

[WeAAsles]

Not only should there be "mid term adjustment", there needs to be a "end of term wage clause" that automatically raises pay every 6 months by 3% until the contract is amended.
The 3 and 4 year contract negotiation is total and complete BS and this clause would effectively end the BS.
My guess is future contract negotiations will be much less complicated and nuanced with that clause in place.

Yes I'm sure with a clause like that the Company will come begging and pleading to reach a deal.

It's us who would never show up to the room. LMAO.

 

[P. REZ]

This ^^^^^^^^^^^ is the ultimate BS argument and seems to me like you have already accepted that the LUS medical will be or already is coughed up. You can't sit on here and tell me that because 110,000 have it we should to. Really? Just because the company wants it, doesn't mean they get it. We could all say we want $38 per hour, 6 weeks vacation, with the option to convert our 10 holidays (yes we should have 10 holidays) to an additional 2 weeks annually, not a one time decision, shift differential, and 12 sick days accrued a year. plus paid OT bypass, and scope at our current level which is at 1 flight a day for the LUS folks. Because we "want" these things, doen it mean we will get them? Come on, at least be honest and tell us YOU are willing to sell the LUS medical for other enhancements. If YOU are not willing to sell the LUS medical for other enhancements, take a stand for pete's sake. Stop with the straw man arguments.

To AANOTOK,

Yes our scope (LUS) is currently at 1 Mainline flight pre day including LAA metal. And no, I would not take it personal or hold it against any LAA for voting to got to the LAA medical if a T/A had major enhancements for both sides excluding the LUS medical.

pjirish317,

I was being honest, I know how people feel about the insurance. I can tell you that we have been holding the line on insurance.

P. Rez

 

[Albert]

gulfcoast1,

Yes we thought of that.

P. Rez

How about heated seats and steering wheel and nav package too?