JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[gulfcoast1]

They IAM has the opportunity to do so but sits there on their collective asses (leadership) apparently completely content with the progress and direction of the negotiations. If not, they would show unity...meh!

Oooppps! Apparently not on his radar as being too important.

More like you didn't read my reply agreeing with him. I am far from perfect but I do try to read before I post.

 

[gulfcoast1]

They IAM has the opportunity to do so but sits there on their collective asses (leadership) apparently completely content with the progress and direction of the negotiations. If not, they would show unity...meh!

I give the IAM credit for at least being on here and responding. That said, they either don't seem to grasp our frustration or they don't care how angry we are about this and both the TWU and IAM, with the exception of Patterson, are wasting an opportunity to have that frustration directed solely at the company by not doing more to hold the company publicly accountable for the lies and misleading statements.

I believe the company is dragging their feet. I believe the company is not offering industry leading articles. I want to direct my frustration only at the company, but it is impossible when it feels like our negotiators are shrugging their shoulders at the company tactics and our frustration, which is almost the worst thing you can do to someone who is upset. The TWU negotiators don't even come on here (shrug), and the IAM negotiators say this is an aggressive schedule or this is how we have always done it (shrug).

What a waste it is. Our negotiators are doing all that work and then losing support by not getting the message out where we can SEE that they are frustrated too. Patterson's videos are probably the easiest thing he has to do. The negotiations have to be tough, but making the videos can't be too hard. I am not talking about getting details from the articles. I know that is not allowed. I am talking about holding the company publicly accountable in the media, youtube and elsewhere like Patterson does.

I know a lot of Fleet Service who are frustrated. I am not going to speak for anyone else, but it frustrates me even more not to see that getting through to our negotiators.

And again, I appreciate the IAM at least being on here.

 

[ograc]

More like you didn't read my reply agreeing with him. I am far from perfect but I do try to read before I post.

I read better than you think. Your initial post spoke volumes. The rest was damage control.

 

[AANOTOK]

I read better than you think. Your initial post spoke volumes. The rest was damage control.

ograc, There IS NOT a more important time than now to show the company unity, that we are united and we will come together as one (TWU/IAM = Association) to get that industry leading contract we deserve.
While I know you are not "pro picketing", what your IAM leadership is doing is reprehensible in the eyes of unionism. While I have mentioned it before and have no doubt that both unions have different agendas when it comes to certain articles, to publicly show the company the unity or the lack thereof by not supporting your brothers and sisters of the TWU in demanding that contract is just unacceptable.
You of all people who preached and preached about unity, coming together to fight the "enemy" , lock and load etc...to now remain silent while others march in 100 plus degrees fighting for not only a contract for the TWU, but for all members of the Association. What Parker and Isom see in this circus is more clowns, not (ring)leaders. Hence, their enjoying the hell out of that popcorn

 

[P. REZ]

I give the IAM credit for at least being on here and responding. That said, they either don't seem to grasp our frustration or they don't care how angry we are about this and both the TWU and IAM, with the exception of Patterson, are wasting an opportunity to have that frustration directed solely at the company by not doing more to hold the company publicly accountable for the lies and misleading statements.

I believe the company is dragging their feet. I believe the company is not offering industry leading articles. I want to direct my frustration only at the company, but it is impossible when it feels like our negotiators are shrugging their shoulders at the company tactics and our frustration, which is almost the worst thing you can do to someone who is upset. The TWU negotiators don't even come on here (shrug), and the IAM negotiators say this is an aggressive schedule or this is how we have always done it (shrug).

What a waste it is. Our negotiators are doing all that work and then losing support by not getting the message out where we can SEE that they are frustrated too. Patterson's videos are probably the easiest thing he has to do. The negotiations have to be tough, but making the videos can't be too hard. I am not talking about getting details from the articles. I know that is not allowed. I am talking about holding the company publicly accountable in the media, youtube and elsewhere like Patterson does.

I know a lot of Fleet Service who are frustrated. I am not going to speak for anyone else, but it frustrates me even more not to see that getting through to our negotiators.

And again, I appreciate the IAM at least being on here.

gulfcoast1,

I hear you. We all hear you. As I posted yesterday, we will know exactly how close or far we are by September 1st to getting a JCBA. We all want an industry leading contract.

P. Rez

 

[WeAAsles]

gulfcoast1,

I hear you. We all hear you. As I posted yesterday, we will know exactly how close or far we are by September 1st to getting a JCBA. We all want an industry leading contract.

P. Rez

Rez our next protest will be here in MIA on August 24. I know that MIA does not have a large amount of IAM members here and that you are not the one representing them anyway. But any support from those members in both MIA, FLL and PBI would be greatly appreciated.

As would be a letter of support from IAM District 141 and 142. Extremely appreciated.

 

[WeAAsles]

ograc, There IS NOT a more important time than now to show the company unity, that we are united and we will come together as one (TWU/IAM = Association) to get that industry leading contract we deserve.
While I know you are not "pro picketing", what your IAM leadership is doing is reprehensible in the eyes of unionism. While I have mentioned it before and have no doubt that both unions have different agendas when it comes to certain articles, to publicly show the company the unity or the lack thereof by not supporting your brothers and sisters of the TWU in demanding that contract is just unacceptable.
You of all people who preached and preached about unity, coming together to fight the "enemy" , lock and load etc...to now remain silent while others march in 100 plus degrees fighting for not only a contract for the TWU, but for all members of the Association. What Parker and Isom see in this circus is more clowns, not (ring)leaders. Hence, their enjoying the hell out of that popcorn

Winner.

 

[ograc]

ograc, There IS NOT a more important time than now to show the company unity, that we are united and we will come together as one (TWU/IAM = Association) to get that industry leading contract we deserve.
While I know you are not "pro picketing", what your IAM leadership is doing is reprehensible in the eyes of unionism. While I have mentioned it before and have no doubt that both unions have different agendas when it comes to certain articles, to publicly show the company the unity or the lack thereof by not supporting your brothers and sisters of the TWU in demanding that contract is just unacceptable.
You of all people who preached and preached about unity, coming together to fight the "enemy" , lock and load etc...to now remain silent while others march in 100 plus degrees fighting for not only a contract for the TWU, but for all members of the Association. What Parker and Isom see in this circus is more clowns, not (ring)leaders. Hence, their enjoying the hell out of that popcorn

AANOTOK. You are correct that a show of unity is always a good thing. However, this group is far from united on what the priorities truly should be. Gulf Coast's initial post, regarding priorities excluding Scope, is a perfect example. Unity means educating the membership on the importance of each issue. Unfortunately, unity is eroded by those only willing to fight for their own priorities. What good is gaining improvements to working conditions to the countless who will lose their jobs because Scope was an afterthought? You are right. Parker and Isom are enjoying the hell out of the popcorn we are providing. In their eyes any demonstration of unity is a paper lion. Face it. Too many individual agendas to try to proclaim unity. When you don't know how to fight on a truly united front prepare to be over run.

 

[NYer]

Serious question:
What do they do when the Companies demands don't fit the industry or national trends?
Industry and national trends are currently, record profits as far as the eye can see.
Shouldn't the company be leaned on by the mediators to cough up some real gains to the rank and file?
Because when the the industry and national trends were massive losses, we sure were given the riot act on coughing up years of language and compensation gains.
Seems to me this should be a 2 way street, not just , what makes management richer than they ever imagined only.

Edit to add:
Some defference should be given to the group that has waited and worked the longest under BK language, wage and benefits, while management did not suffer nearly as long.

Other airlines have had massive profits as well, but they've also had other issues resolved in manners we do not agree with. At United, for instance, they had made changes to their Scope as has Delta. The trends away from traditional pensions, heavily subsidized health care make it more difficult to gain sympathy from the NMB in a meditation type setting.

The Company, for their part, would have a hard time trying to get pay rates below others in the industry and they also met a roadblocks in other areas dealing with other benefits, like the Retiree Medical before it was eliminated in BK.

Unfortunately, the NMB doesn't look for or interpret fairness. Their interest is progress towards a deal, fast or slow, they look for progress and they decide who's working towards that progress.

 

[NYer]

So apparently the TWU is now chairing the Association or soon will be, exactly what changes will we see, if any. What is the benefit of being the lead.

In short, none.

 

[ograc]

Other airlines have had massive profits as well, but they've also had other issues resolved in manners we do not agree with. At United, for instance, they had made changes to their Scope as has Delta. The trends away from traditional pensions, heavily subsidized health care make it more difficult to gain sympathy from the NMB in a meditation type setting.

The Company, for their part, would have a hard time trying to get pay rates below others in the industry and they also met a roadblocks in other areas dealing with other benefits, like the Retiree Medical before it was eliminated in BK.

Unfortunately, the NMB doesn't look for or interpret fairness. Their interest is progress towards a deal, fast or slow, they look for progress and they decide who's working towards that progress.

Our former members at UA in my station were not around to vote on TA2. By then their jobs were already outsourced or they were forced to transfer. 30 + members gone because of agreed to and ratified weak Scope language. Apparently there were enough members who did, in fact, agree with the language in the TA1. The company knows all they have to do is throw a little up front hourly wage improvement on the table and most will take the bait. Members at UA ratified by a 70% margin.

 

[NYer]

Our former members at UA in my station were not around to vote on TA2. By then their jobs were already outsourced or they were forced to transfer. 30 + members gone because of agreed to and ratified weak Scope language. Apparently there were enough members who did, in fact, agree with the language in the TA1. The company knows all they have to do is throw a little up front hourly wage improvement on the table and most will take the bait. Members at UA ratified by a 70% margin.

When their TA came out there were scores of our Members that raved about it because of the wages.

Few consider the details until it affects them.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I have two points to make about this post.

First point.
American Airlines employees no longer perform the security search or clean the interior of the aircraft.

Are you sure about that? Because in Tulsa (granted this was 4 years ago and FSC's have been outsourced since then) American Airlines (TULE employees doing work at TUL) employees did do security sweeps and overnight cleaning.

I am not debating the accuracy of the statement only saying it should be validated before being presented as fact.

Second point.
Provided this is all true why is this flier not in every magazine pouch in the whole fleet? Hide them in the American Ways for the passengers to find and sit back and watch the fun.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

I have two points to make about this post.

First point.
American Airlines employees no longer perform the security search or clean the interior of the aircraft.

Are you sure about that? Because in Tulsa (granted this was 4 years ago and FSC's have been outsourced since then) American Airlines (TULE employees doing work at TUL) employees did do security sweeps and overnight cleaning.

I am not debating the accuracy of the statement only saying it should be validated before being presented as fact.

Second point.
Provided this is all true why is this flier not in every magazine pouch in the whole fleet? Hide them in the American Ways for the passengers to find and sit back and watch the fun.

Smh, yeah, it's a FACT. I watch them every night here at DFW/DWH. Why would you question it, and in the very same breath qualify it with "4 years ago"? Do you dislike the Weez that much? Just couldn't resist taking a jab?

 

[pjirish317]

not being lus/iam, i pretty much agree with this.

when the combined seniorities are finally merged for bidding in stations, there will be many lus who acquired and will maintain seniority from non pure lus history, while many laa clerks DID NOT acquire seniority in the same mannner, let alone those that wore uniforms that said 'aa' on them.

i had a huge beef with this, but let it go.

if i can let that go, then i would expect some lus to let the insurance issue go - IF, the $$ is right.

- as far as twa seniority...if aa did not acquire twa, they would have been out on the street by christmas, 2001. twa fscs got a raw deal? i don't think so. got got to keep some seniority perks.

Crema,
What does "there will be many LUS who acquired and will maintain seniority from non pure LUS history" even mean? Please explain.