JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

you're talking 7% more than ua right now? if so, that's apprx. $2 more per hour..so DOS of $32.50 and no profit sharing?

if we give back the profit sharing, i'd be content with $33.50/hr DOS and max rate of $36.00-$36.50/hr.

with 10 holidays at say, double time, we would fall out of bed earning $80k per year.

Parker started out with a wage line of 7% above the top rate as compared to either DL or UAL. He went down to a 3% line when employees began to protest that they wanted PS. So for us 4% was lost in the exchange. No PS is not contractual but the exchange was inevitably going to wind up being less than the direct wages would have been.

7% above UAL (They have known contractual rates) I could care less about Delta personally.

Actually looking back at the UAL wages it's only a 2% increase they get some years till expiration in 2021. Keep me 7% above them till 2021 (PS again be damned) and I'll be quite satisfied and maybe even become Joe model employee.

UAL 2021. $33.30.
AA 2021 $33.30 + 7% = $35.64

 

[NYer]

Parker started out with a wage line of 7% above the top rate as compared to either DL or UAL. He went down to a 3% line when employees began to protest that they wanted PS. So for us 4% was lost in the exchange. No PS is not contractual but the exchange was inevitably going to wind up being less than the direct wages would have been.

That's not why it went from DL +7 to DL+3.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

UAL 2021. $33.30.
AA 2021 $33.30 + 7% = $35.64

- aa gets it's number #1 objective
- cs policy becomes contractual and more restrictive
- we lose profit sharing
- ua gets .51/.61 differential and profit sharing
- fleet service loses cc in favor of more company-friendly leads

$35.64 max rate isn't good enough for me.


$36.50 TOS/leads at $39.00 TOS with differential..additional week paid VC, 10 paid sk days with accumulation/1,200 hr max, 10 guaranteed holidays at double time, bump in 401k match to 7% along with a modest signing bonus of $5k...i sign.

that's the premium we get for giving aa what it wants in an era of unprecedented profit.

 

[WeAAsles]

That's not why it went from DL +7 to DL+3.

Almost immediately after the Company made an announcement that they would acquiesce to initiating a PS pool our line number from Parker went from 7% above to only 3% above.

Do you have a better explanation why financially the wage numbers went down? We didn't receive any value somewhere else to lower that percentage besides in the expected PS (Vegas) payout?

 

[WeAAsles]

- aa gets it's number #1 objective
- cs policy becomes contractual and more restrictive
- we lose profit sharing
- ua gets .51/.61 differential and profit sharing
- fleet service loses cc in favor of more company-friendly leads

$35.64 max rate isn't good enough for me.


$36.50 TOS/leads at $39.00 TOS with differential..additional week paid VC, 10 paid sk days with accumulation/1,200 hr max, 10 guaranteed holidays at double time, bump in 401k match to 7% along with a modest signing bonus of $5k...i sign.

that's the premium we get for giving aa what it wants in an era of unprecedented profit.

Who said we're not getting all those things you named? People on here keep saying what AA wants or really wants and I have yet to hear or see them come out with anything "official" on that either?

There seem to be a lot of people negotiating in their own minds here on Forums, lol.

 

[NYer]

Almost immediately after the Company made an announcement that they would acquiesce to initiating a PS pool our line number from Parker went from 7% above to only 3% above.

Do you have a better explanation why financially the wage numbers went down? We didn't receive any value somewhere else to lower that percentage besides in the expected PS (Vegas) payout?

So it's an assumption on your part.

 

[B737 driver]

That's because the 40 years that the teamsters were here, they never got medical put in the contract which is what AMFA is trying to do currently. This is the first time in the history at SWA that medical is trying to get INTO our contract.

I don't think it will happen because of the me too clause all the other groups have in their contracts, that is a non starter for SWA !

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Who said we're not getting all those things you named?

you did.

you said that you would give PF back to company when you gave your DOS/TOS wages.

it's a fair assumption about the insurance, cc x leads and we have seen the passenger service cs policy become contractual.

 

[NYer]

In December 2014. The Company announced 4% bump for everyone who had a JCBA. At the time only the APFA had an agreement and this 4% was going to take them to Delta +7.

In September 2015, Delta gave their employees a 14.5% raise.

In October 2015, the CWA negotiations included wage increases of the "new" Delta +3.

 

[NYer]

Who said we're not getting all those things you named? People on here keep saying what AA wants or really wants and I have yet to hear or see them come out with anything "official" on that either

There seem to be a lot of people negotiating in their own minds here on Forums, lol.

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[WeAAsles]

So it's an assumption on your part.

Ok here you go again. So WHO starts with who?

It's about finances and expenses towards Labor. If you remember Doug Parker said he did not believe that at risk (Profit Sharing) compensation was the way employees should be paid. Again it was the AA CEO himself who publicly stated this.

And thus the reason wages originally were to be set at 7% above (At that time Delta) Because the industry kept PS and most Labor groups at AA traded it away for improvements in the BK. (As you are well aware)

But Delta's extreme (one year) PS payout made AA Labor clamor and scream that they wanted that too. They didn't want it "instead" of the 7% but that should have been the expectation.

 

[WeAAsles]

Pot, meet kettle.

Ok here you go again. So WHO starts with who?

 

[WeAAsles]

you did.

you said that you would give PF back to company when you gave your DOS/TOS wages.

it's a fair assumption about the insurance, cc x leads and we have seen the passenger service cs policy become contractual.

Crema all I've said is I'd like to give them back the PS if that's what it took to strike an agreement back to 7%.

I never talked about the CS, Leads, Shift Dif or others in my comment.

 

[WeAAsles]

“We are taking this step because we have heard from many of you that a profit-sharing plan is important to our success as a team,” Doug Parker, CEO of American Airlines, wrote in an employee memo obtained by the WSJ.

“Although we continue to beleive the most effective way to increase compensation is through higher base pay, we recognize there is a team-building component to profit-sharing.”


https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2016/03/24/american-airlines-profit-sharing/?source=dam

 

[NYer]

Ok here you go again. So WHO starts with who?

It's about finances and expenses towards Labor. If you remember Doug Parker said he did not believe that at risk (Profit Sharing) compensation was the way employees should be paid. Again it was the AA CEO himself who publicly stated this.

And thus the reason wages originally were to be set at 7% above (At that time Delta) Because the industry kept PS and most Labor groups at AA traded it away for improvements in the BK. (As you are well aware)

But Delta's extreme (one year) PS payout made AA Labor clamor and scream that they wanted that too. They didn't want it "instead" of the 7% but that should have been the expectation.

Your assumption is incorrect.

December 2014: LAA made an offer of an extra 4% raise for everyone in the airline, with those still in negotiations to receive the 4% once they had a JCBA. (at the time it put them 3% above Delta)

The APFA was the first group with a deal and took immediate advantage of the 4%. That raise combined with their contractual raise brought the F/A to Delta +7.

September 2015: Delta gives their employees 14.5% raise.

October 2015: CWA agents receive offer of "new" Delta +3.

The change in Delta +7 to Delta +3 was because of the large raise they received.

Since then, Delta +3 has become UA +3 since they surpassed Delta in wages.