JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Kev3188]

The news from the CWA-IBT Association gives us another glimpse of the priority given to have all AAL employees in the same medical plans.

We can fight for the IAM plan, but it seems like an inevitable transition,whether it happens now or in Section 6 down the road.

The question then becomes, do we get greater value in return for that transition now or later?

The question should be; how hard is the membership willing to fight to get the healthcare plan(s) they deserve?

 

[NYer]

The question should be; how hard is the membership willing to fight to get the healthcare plan(s) they deserve?

That may be difficult to quantify considering we have very limited information from the Association.

However, once the JCBA makes it into the public forum, I'm sure we'll see much more engagement from the Membership.

 

[AANOTOK]

The question should be; how hard is the membership willing to fight to get the healthcare plan(s) they deserve?

...or at what expense. Goes both ways Kev, both ways! This Association is a unique situation, and while originally pushed upon us with the argument that strength in numbers would benefit us all and the goal would be getting the best of both contracts, it is becoming quite clear that's not the case. And as NYer has stated, once a final JCBA is agreed to, you're gonna see some very unhappy people on both sides of the aisle. In my opinion, AA management is unified in stating that their number one goal is getting us all on AA 's current medical plan. The Association on the other hand is not unified in their effort to have ALL members either remain or get on the IAM health plan as the number one goal. The TWU has other priorities and now you have a more divided membership.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

How the "Association" likes the members...

Kept in the dark,fed only horseshit.

 

[Talos]

...or at what expense. Goes both ways Kev, both ways! This Association is a unique situation, and while originally pushed upon us with the argument that strength in numbers would benefit us all and the goal would be getting the best of both contracts, it is becoming quite clear that's not the case. And as NYer has stated, once a final JCBA is agreed to, you're gonna see some very unhappy people on both sides of the aisle. In my opinion, AA management is unified in stating that their number one goal is getting us all on AA 's current medical plan. The Association on the other hand is not unified in their effort to have ALL members either remain or get on the IAM health plan as the number one goal. The TWU has other priorities and now you have a more divided membership.

The priorities of the 2 unions are different and shows that the Association was an error. I think the company knew this and is now playing them against each other in negotiations, and have been for quite some time. The Association should have known this from the start. The company can sit and stall and sit on their hands and say let them blame each other about it. Worked like a charm for the company.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

we have already cut to the chase here..

what premium(s) above ua (wages) and other forms of compensation (above other carriers) is aa willing to give us/the assoc. is willing to accept, to get all on laa health plan??

 

[WeAAsles]

..."""""""AA management is unified in stating that their number one goal is getting us all on AA 's current medical plan."""""""

""""""""""" The Association on the other hand is not unified in their effort to have ALL members either remain or get on the IAM health plan as the number one goal."""""""""""

"""""""""" The TWU has other priorities and now you have a more divided membership"""""""""".

Honestly AANOTOK the only place I'm seeing these types of comments is on here and occasionally through the Ramp rumor mill?

Can I (PLEASE) see something "In writing" that gives a 100% confirmation of these statements?

Not arguing against appearances, just want absolute facts for a change?

 

[WeAAsles]

we have already cut to the chase here..

what premium(s) above ua (wages) and other forms of compensation (above other carriers) is aa willing to give us/the assoc. is willing to accept, to get all on laa health plan??

If the Company Negotiators are only offering 1% for anything involving wages I think the Association should put out a notification suspecting that they believe Management needs to be Drug tested before any conversations continue.

7% above the UAL wage rates DOS (Take back the Profit Sharing)
3% first three years, 3 1/2% last two would work for me. (Wage conversation only)

 

[bob@las-AA]

...or at what expense. Goes both ways Kev, both ways! This Association is a unique situation, and while originally pushed upon us with the argument that strength in numbers would benefit us all and the goal would be getting the best of both contracts, it is becoming quite clear that's not the case. And as NYer has stated, once a final JCBA is agreed to, you're gonna see some very unhappy people on both sides of the aisle. In my opinion, AA management is unified in stating that their number one goal is getting us all on AA 's current medical plan. The Association on the other hand is not unified in their effort to have ALL members either remain or get on the IAM health plan as the number one goal. The TWU has other priorities and now you have a more divided membership.

Honestly AANOTOK the only place I'm seeing these types of comments is on here and occasionally through the Ramp rumor mill?

Can I (PLEASE) see something "In writing" that gives a 100% confirmation of these statements?

Not arguing against appearances, just want absolute facts for a change?

Weez, what part of TOK's post didn't to like? I don't see anything that is out of line or fabricated. The man speaketh the truth!

 

[swamt]

That's more information than we get, our cost just changes every year, and we pick the same three plans they SWA offer, plus we have health savings accounts!

That's because the 40 years that the teamsters were here, they never got medical put in the contract which is what AMFA is trying to do currently. This is the first time in the history at SWA that medical is trying to get INTO our contract.

 

[WeAAsles]

Weez, what part of TOK's post didn't to like? I don't see anything that is out of line or fabricated. The man speaketh the truth!

Bob I didn't say that I didn't like his post. I said can he (anyone) show me those things I put "quotes" on in writing?

Despite appearances I just haven't read anything official that confirms all that?

 

[Traymark]

7% above the UAL wage rates DOS (Take back the Profit Sharing)
3% first three years, 3 1/2% last two would work for me. (Wage conversation only)

7% above UAL DOS (Keep Profit Sharing = we earned it as we've waited far longer than anyone else even with the raise last year).
Another 13% over the last 4 years, most of it in the early years
A clause that automatically gives us 3% every year after the contract expires so there is never again the bs 4 year negotiations while everyone else gets theirs.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

If the Company Negotiators are only offering 1% for anything involving wages I think the Association should put out a notification suspecting that they believe Management needs to be Drug tested before any conversations continue.

i agree...i would have taken the reaction to extreme sarcasm/cynicism. the company could have stepped up (with $9+ billion in liquidity/$7 billion in cash burning a hole in it's pocket) and said..."we're willing to give you X amount over ua here, Y amount over dl there...etc..etc...let's get a deal done".

they didn't. as if aa is struggling to stay above water with oil at imaginary $125/barrel prices.

all aa did was increase the length of negotiations going forward with it's low ball offers on everything. so much for the leap of faith, the town halls and 'team member' propaganda.

you hit the nail on the head with an earlier post where you said that lus' medical was mainly subsidized from it's low wages. from $19+, to $24+ stand alone to come up to laa wages and now $30+. we all work for aa, not google, apple or goldman sachs.

mid $30s top out AND extremely cheap health insurance is almost impossible in 2017 when anything and everything a union does to show displeasure can be ruled a job action and the union(s) would have to cough up million$$ in fines.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

7% above the UAL wage rates DOS (Take back the Profit Sharing)
3% first three years, 3 1/2% last two would work for me. (Wage conversation only)

you're talking 7% more than ua right now? if so, that's apprx. $2 more per hour..so DOS of $32.50 and no profit sharing?

if we give back the profit sharing, i'd be content with $33.50/hr DOS and max rate of $36.00-$36.50/hr.

with 10 holidays at say, double time, we would fall out of bed earning $80k per year.

 

[NYer]

The priorities of the 2 unions are different and shows that the Association was an error. I think the company knew this and is now playing them against each other in negotiations, and have been for quite some time. The Association should have known this from the start. The company can sit and stall and sit on their hands and say let them blame each other about it. Worked like a charm for the company.

Priorities don't disappear because a union does.

Without the Association we'd be fighting each other at a more heightened fashion or do you believe the IAM Members would just wilt away?