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The offer has already been extended and you refused. We've moved on.

Unfortunately, you thought the offer had some ill attached to it. You've admitted on this very thread that you received a call and heard good things about the protest.

Now you want to jump on? That's very self serving and everyone on these pages have clearly witnessed that transformation.


Oh not so fast there. I said my offer was to "help". You do understand the difference between "helping" and being the "point man" running the entire thing right?

Your comment was that you would call Gary Peterson and tell him that I was the go to guy, LMAO.

I know you have issues with decorum, common courtesy and thinking you can just bark out orders to people NYer. But I'm not and never will be on that payroll.

My offer still stands "help" Otherwise absolutely no problem with me.
 
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You always want to make things about your Bromance.

Back on topic.


I think it might be time to cover this one as well. It's getting a little uh discomforting you using that term with me so often.

Nothing at all against both the readers here and any coworkers that might be, but NYer I am not Homosexual and have no Bromance with you or for you.

If you are Homosexual I of course wish you all the best and hope in time you find the right, best partner for you.
 
I think it might be time to cover this one as well. It's getting a little uh discomforting you using that term with me so often.

Nothing at all against both the readers here and any coworkers that might be, but NYer I am not Homosexual and have no Bromance with you or for you.

If you are Homosexual I of course wish you all the best and hope in time you find the right, best partner for you.

I am getting a weird vibe about these discussions at times-- when might it devolve into this?
 
I am getting a weird vibe about these discussions at times-- when might it devolve into this?

I've been getting the "weird" vibe for a while out of our conversations.

Anyway back on topic.
 
Right now we can file this under rumor but the rumor comes from a reliable source.

"Late last night the CWA agreed to a LOA to 27% reduced core plan but higher standard and value plans on healthcare."

The question to be asked on this rumor is how much higher are they talking about?
 
I've been getting the "weird" vibe for a while out of our conversations.

Anyway back on topic.
Weez I never questioned your orientation or would care for that matter but as an observer it does look like you're the aggressor, always asking to meet NYer for coffee. Did you expect him to bring the crumb cake?
 
Weez I never questioned your orientation or would care for that matter but as an observer it does look like you're the aggressor, always asking to meet NYer for coffee. Did you expect him to bring the crumb cake?

Deleted. Fair enough Al.
 
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Right now we can file this under rumor but the rumor comes from a reliable source.

"Late last night the CWA agreed to a LOA to 27% reduced core plan but higher standard and value plans on healthcare."

The question to be asked on this rumor is how much higher are they talking about?



The Association (CWA/IBT PSA) has been working on an insurance plan proposal that would give our members coverage like they had at US Airways at the same rates that they would be paying at AA without making the company pay more for their contribution. Our Actuarial firm created a plan, however with the increasing medical costs and the rich benefits of the plan we wanted to provide, there was no way to keep the costs to our members low and we would have to increase the premiums in order to fund the plan to pay for all of the medical claims. Everyone would be forced to elect the plan in order to fund it and keep it solvent to pay for all of the medical costs.

Since approximately 3,000 of our members have opted out of taking the AA insurance, and the over 65% that have opted for the Standard or Core options, the bargaining committee decided it would not be fair to ask our members to vote on something that would be more expensive than what the AA plans offer and make everyone take the insurance. This means we will be staying in the AA insurance plans with the other union groups and non-covered employees.

The company came to the union and told us that they have examined the Core plan premiums and would like to reduce the premiums for 2018. This reduction would not affect the Standard or Value premium calculations. If the letter of agreement was not signed, the higher premiums would be in effect for our members who select the Core option. Again, there is no effect to the Standard or Value plans.

Our bargaining committee decided that they would vote to accept the reduction in the Core premiums to benefit our members who are healthy and choose that plan rather than keep the higher premiums for that option. Only one bargaining member chose to vote to keep the higher Core plan rates.

What does that mean for the rates in the Standard and Value plans? Nothing. The calculation of the Standard plan premiums are contractual and can’t be changed. The Value plan premiums were also not affected by the Core plan premium change. If we didn’t sign the agreement the Standard and Value plan premiums would remain the same as are being offered to you for 2018 and the Core plan premiums would continue to be almost as high as the Standard premiums.

Every year in July the company has their actuarial firm review the claims against the premiums and projected medical and prescription costs for the following year. They use that information to determine if the company is setting enough money aside to pay all the claims that come in for each plan. The projected national average increase to medical costs is 6%-9% for 2018. The Value plan will increase
6.3% in premiums and the Standard plan will increase 3.9%. This is within the national average. The change in the Core plan premiums does not affect the Standard plan calculations as it is contractual. It also doesn’t affect the Value plan calculations.

We are continuing to advocate for improved benefits for our members. In this climate of increased insurance, medical and prescription costs in this country it is important that we continue to work with the other unions and the company to make sure we have affordable healthcare for our members.

In solidarity,

Kimberly Barboro
President Teamsters Local 104
IBT National Coordinator for Customer Service
 
The Association (CWA/IBT PSA) has been working on an insurance plan proposal that would give our members coverage like they had at US Airways at the same rates that they would be paying at AA without making the company pay more for their contribution. Our Actuarial firm created a plan, however with the increasing medical costs and the rich benefits of the plan we wanted to provide, there was no way to keep the costs to our members low and we would have to increase the premiums in order to fund the plan to pay for all of the medical claims. Everyone would be forced to elect the plan in order to fund it and keep it solvent to pay for all of the medical costs.

Since approximately 3,000 of our members have opted out of taking the AA insurance, and the over 65% that have opted for the Standard or Core options, the bargaining committee decided it would not be fair to ask our members to vote on something that would be more expensive than what the AA plans offer and make everyone take the insurance. This means we will be staying in the AA insurance plans with the other union groups and non-covered employees.

The company came to the union and told us that they have examined the Core plan premiums and would like to reduce the premiums for 2018. This reduction would not affect the Standard or Value premium calculations. If the letter of agreement was not signed, the higher premiums would be in effect for our members who select the Core option. Again, there is no effect to the Standard or Value plans.

Our bargaining committee decided that they would vote to accept the reduction in the Core premiums to benefit our members who are healthy and choose that plan rather than keep the higher premiums for that option. Only one bargaining member chose to vote to keep the higher Core plan rates.

What does that mean for the rates in the Standard and Value plans? Nothing. The calculation of the Standard plan premiums are contractual and can’t be changed. The Value plan premiums were also not affected by the Core plan premium change. If we didn’t sign the agreement the Standard and Value plan premiums would remain the same as are being offered to you for 2018 and the Core plan premiums would continue to be almost as high as the Standard premiums.

Every year in July the company has their actuarial firm review the claims against the premiums and projected medical and prescription costs for the following year. They use that information to determine if the company is setting enough money aside to pay all the claims that come in for each plan. The projected national average increase to medical costs is 6%-9% for 2018. The Value plan will increase
6.3% in premiums and the Standard plan will increase 3.9%. This is within the national average. The change in the Core plan premiums does not affect the Standard plan calculations as it is contractual. It also doesn’t affect the Value plan calculations.

We are continuing to advocate for improved benefits for our members. In this climate of increased insurance, medical and prescription costs in this country it is important that we continue to work with the other unions and the company to make sure we have affordable healthcare for our members.

In solidarity,

Kimberly Barboro
President Teamsters Local 104
IBT National Coordinator for Customer Service
That's more information than we get, our cost just changes every year, and we pick the same three plans they SWA offer, plus we have health savings accounts!
 
The Association (CWA/IBT PSA) has been working on an insurance plan proposal that would give our members coverage like they had at US Airways at the same rates that they would be paying at AA without making the company pay more for their contribution. Our Actuarial firm created a plan, however with the increasing medical costs and the rich benefits of the plan we wanted to provide, there was no way to keep the costs to our members low and we would have to increase the premiums in order to fund the plan to pay for all of the medical claims. Everyone would be forced to elect the plan in order to fund it and keep it solvent to pay for all of the medical costs.

Since approximately 3,000 of our members have opted out of taking the AA insurance, and the over 65% that have opted for the Standard or Core options, the bargaining committee decided it would not be fair to ask our members to vote on something that would be more expensive than what the AA plans offer and make everyone take the insurance. This means we will be staying in the AA insurance plans with the other union groups and non-covered employees.

The company came to the union and told us that they have examined the Core plan premiums and would like to reduce the premiums for 2018. This reduction would not affect the Standard or Value premium calculations. If the letter of agreement was not signed, the higher premiums would be in effect for our members who select the Core option. Again, there is no effect to the Standard or Value plans.

Our bargaining committee decided that they would vote to accept the reduction in the Core premiums to benefit our members who are healthy and choose that plan rather than keep the higher premiums for that option. Only one bargaining member chose to vote to keep the higher Core plan rates.

What does that mean for the rates in the Standard and Value plans? Nothing. The calculation of the Standard plan premiums are contractual and can’t be changed. The Value plan premiums were also not affected by the Core plan premium change. If we didn’t sign the agreement the Standard and Value plan premiums would remain the same as are being offered to you for 2018 and the Core plan premiums would continue to be almost as high as the Standard premiums.

Every year in July the company has their actuarial firm review the claims against the premiums and projected medical and prescription costs for the following year. They use that information to determine if the company is setting enough money aside to pay all the claims that come in for each plan. The projected national average increase to medical costs is 6%-9% for 2018. The Value plan will increase
6.3% in premiums and the Standard plan will increase 3.9%. This is within the national average. The change in the Core plan premiums does not affect the Standard plan calculations as it is contractual. It also doesn’t affect the Value plan calculations.

We are continuing to advocate for improved benefits for our members. In this climate of increased insurance, medical and prescription costs in this country it is important that we continue to work with the other unions and the company to make sure we have affordable healthcare for our members.

In solidarity,

Kimberly Barboro
President Teamsters Local 104
IBT National Coordinator for Customer Service


cb and prez both just called, they said what's the problem? hire more part time, and charge them higher premiums and also can save some more money by getting them into a pension with extra years of accredited service
 
cb and prez both just called, they said what's the problem? hire more part time, and charge them higher premiums and also can save some more money by getting them into a pension with extra years of accredited service
Really? Show me where I've said that I'm ok with PTemployees paying more than FT.
I could care less on who you are, but don't speak for me unless you know my opinion on a issue. I don't do that on anyone on here, including you, so state your opinion on a open forum, but don't pretend you know my opinion on a issue if I haven't stated it on here.
 
cb and prez both just called, they said what's the problem? hire more part time, and charge them higher premiums and also can save some more money by getting them into a pension with extra years of accredited service
Flat out lie. from this day forth you credibility will always be questioned.Maybe my first "ignore"
 
cb and prez both just called, they said what's the problem? hire more part time, and charge them higher premiums and also can save some more money by getting them into a pension with extra years of accredited service

From that great explanation from that IBT President we can see a problem coming for our group as well the more premiums continue to climb.

As she stated 3000 members opted out which makes the cost for the rest of us who remain more expensive.

And the solution is NOT charging people more since it's painfully obvious it's a revolving catch 22. You charge people more and more opt out.
 
Heard on the news today that the govt expects healthcare premiums to go up double digits next year. It's getting to be absurd how the politicians handle this while having everything free for themselves. Makes me sick.
 
The news from the CWA-IBT Association gives us another glimpse of the priority given to have all AAL employees in the same medical plans.

We can fight for the IAM plan, but it seems like an inevitable transition,whether it happens now or in Section 6 down the road.

The question then becomes, do we get greater value in return for that transition now or later?
 
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