JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[robbedagain]

anotherdelay: tell us why in the times of record profits quarter after quarter year after year why do we need to do away with anything? this is the time we all regain everything we lost in the 2000s LUS has catering in a small number of stations as well as cargo but I don't see a need to get rid of them mgmt. yes I see where the cuts should be made in mgmt. one particular strikes as very interesting compliance mgr just exactly why do we need another layer of mgmt. basically a do nothing type mgmt

 

[737823]

Robbed,
I thought when I was discussing catering with Roabilly BLUTO and 700 awhile back they said that small stations were given up for catering and that catering headcount could have been absorbed on the ramp. Isn't catering only BWI, PIT, PHL, DCA, CLT?

LAA TWU fleet lost cargo outside the five cornerstone cities and the unorganized cargo agents are also gone.

If they could absorb the overage on the ramp why throw the small cities under the bus?

Josh

 

[AANOTOK]

How do we know AA didn't have cargo outsourced on their "comprehensive proposal". I know in Dallas there is some seniority there. The other four, not so sure.

 

[robbedagain]

Robbed,
I thought when I was discussing catering with Roabilly BLUTO and 700 awhile back they said that small stations were given up for catering and that catering headcount could have been absorbed on the ramp. Isn't catering only BWI, PIT, PHL, DCA, CLT?

LAA TWU fleet lost cargo outside the five cornerstone cities and the unorganized cargo agents are also gone.

If they could absorb the overage on the ramp why throw the small cities under the bus?

Josh

i also think maybe several Fla stations plus some west coast too. As of now i know some LUS has catering. BWI being 1. But slowly the company is changing from airbus to boeing on number of routes including phx n clt both which used to have 319-321 but now have 738s

 

[john john]

Tim

CWA has said in their recent agreement nothing is changing. Why should negotiations for 30k people get held up at most ~1000 TW across classifications?

Josh

CWA/IBT wanted to give TWA agents full seniority back but LAA bargaining committees members say they would revolt.
Instead they allow part-timers to get fulltime opening before fulltime opening can transfer in
So to push the contract thu they back off.

 

[john john]

Robbed,
I thought when I was discussing catering with Roabilly BLUTO and 700 awhile back they said that small stations were given up for catering
Josh

Yep! This how it went down

 

[737823]

CWA/IBT wanted to give TWA agents full seniority back but LAA bargaining committees members say they would revolt.
Instead they allow part-timers to get fulltime opening before fulltime opening can transfer in
So to push the contract thu they back off.

JohnJohn would you want your seniority demoted for TWA? It's done and closed. TWA was IAM, LAA was unorganized. They got full company seniority. There are only about a dozen TWA agents at Logan.

Josh

 

[NYer]

How do we know AA didn't have cargo outsourced on their "comprehensive proposal". I know in Dallas there is some seniority there. The other four, not so sure.

The Comprehensive Proposal will assuredly have things the Company knows they will not get and may not be a priority for them, such as the Medical has been. It is a low starting point in order to re-juggle the priorities of the negotiations.

 

[WeAAsles]

The Comprehensive Proposal will assuredly have things the Company knows they will not get and may not be a priority for them, such as the Medical has been. It is a low starting point in order to re-juggle the priorities of the negotiations.

Has the continuation of extracting a high cost for Medical expenses out of the Employees of AA been a major priority (must have) for the Company's Negotiators since talks commenced with the TWU/IAM Association?

Has anyone in the last year and a half or earlier labeled Medical as a "must have" for the Company?

And if it is a "must have" the simple question is why?

 

[NYer]

Has the continuation of extracting a high cost for Medical expenses out of the Employees of AA been a major priority (must have) for the Company's Negotiators since talks commenced with the TWU/IAM Association?

Has anyone in the last year and a half or earlier labeled Medical as a "must have" for the Company?

And if it is a "must have" the simple question is why?

If you'd pay attention you'd know.

 

[Jester]

Has the continuation of extracting a high cost for Medical expenses out of the Employees of AA been a major priority (must have) for the Company's Negotiators since talks commenced with the TWU/IAM Association?

Has anyone in the last year and a half or earlier labeled Medical as a "must have" for the Company?

And if it is a "must have" the simple question is why?

I am just speculating, but I suspect the Company wants a universally standardized plan across all work groups. If fleet service would be granted a (lower cost) exception, then surely others would demand the same thing within their CBAs. So it isn't just about us.

Also in a larger picture with healthcare, in general, all these different plans with different rates, deductibles, coverage, etc. leads to higher administrative overhead, so there is a overall push for simplicity.

 

[WeAAsles]

If you'd pay attention you'd know.

Again I'm looking for something IN WRITING from THE COMPANY?

So let me try this again and this is for YOU and YOU alone.

"Has the continuation of extracting a high cost for Medical expenses out of the Employees of AA been a major priority (must have) for the Company's Negotiators since talks commenced with the TWU/IAM Association?

Has anyone in the last year and a half or earlier labeled Medical as a "must have" for the Company?

And if it is a "must have" the simple question is why?"

Again "IN WRITING" NYer. Using your words "MUST HAVE"

 

[WeAAsles]

I am just speculating, but I suspect the Company wants a universally standardized plan across all work groups. If fleet service would be granted a (lower cost) exception, then surely others would demand the same thing within their CBAs. So it isn't just about us.

Also in a larger picture with healthcare, in general, all these different plans with different rates, deductibles, coverage, etc. leads to higher administrative overhead, so there is a overall push for simplicity.

And I'm sure the Company would like us to work for minimum wage and be happy about it too right.

And Management concerns or issues is not something we should just easily or readily oblige to should we?

Some on here do (seriously) sound like they work for Management more than being in a Union. (Again I'm DEAD serious) I'm not really comfortable with that line of thinking.

 

[NYer]

I am just speculating, but I suspect the Company wants a universally standardized plan across all work groups. If fleet service would be granted a (lower cost) exception, then surely others would demand the same thing within their CBAs. So it isn't just about us.

Also in a larger picture with healthcare, in general, all these different plans with different rates, deductibles, coverage, etc. leads to higher administrative overhead, so there is a overall push for simplicity.

BRAVO. 😉

 

[WeAAsles]

BRAVO. 😉

And I'm sure the old US AIRWAYS Management has wanted that each and every time the issue has come up with the IAM and yet each time it continues to survive doesn't it.

The IAM Medical costs also DID NOT come with a disclaimer "Until a JCBA is reached" did it?

No NYer it did NOT!!!! Why not buddy? Why was that? Speak up I can't hear you?