JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[P. REZ]

what? we are approximately for a family of 4, 230 a paycheck. deductible 2000 per person, max 5000, not 8 for family.. express scripts for prescriptions and free for mental issues. So in total, we might have it cheaper than a part time us air guy. yeah that deductable is high, but you guys aren't making 16 bucks anymore. do our flight attendants still have their plan, everybody liked. We have pretty good medical.

anotherdelay,

I'm looking at your insurance now, if you have family and standard plan, your deductible is $2550 and out of pocket max of $5000 which doesn't include the deductible, which is really $7550 max? That is what I read. The monthly cost for that from your paycheck $323.16. I don't know your insurance, but that is what I'm reading.

For a comparison, an LUS Part time employee with our 80 family plan pays $202.82 per month and the deductible is $900 and out of pocket max of $6000 which includes deductible, so a true out of pocket max of $6000.

So, a FT LAA employee who needs their insurance in any given year could pay out of pocket, including premiums of $11,427.92. A PT LUS employee would pay $8,433.84. A FT LUS employee would pay $7,216.92. These are max amounts in any given year.

FYI, a PT LUS employee with family and 90 plan would pay $10,055.04 max in any given year.

P. Rez

 

[Tim Nelson]

what? we are approximately for a family of 4, 230 a paycheck. deductible 2000 per person, max 5000, not 8 for family.. express scripts for prescriptions and free for mental issues. So in total, we might have it cheaper than a part time us air guy. yeah that deductable is high, but you guys aren't making 16 bucks anymore. do our flight attendants still have their plan, everybody liked. We have pretty good medical.

Bro, that blows worse than a Macy Day balloon.
$460 a month sucks balls. $2,000 deductible is a deal breaker for me. $5,000 max? Really. Why do you have a union cuz there isn't much else in that TWU contract and certainly delta blows the pants off of it.

I'd be appalled if we even hinted at what you have. Warning Will Robinson, Warning!

Hell, I have 80% for me and children. I haven't gotten hitched again, at least not yet, so no spouse. I pay $26 a pay check. Deductable was $450 and max was $3,000 which I unfortunately hit this year for a son. Sorry but pinching another 3% pay raise to toss in your medical is a deal breaker. C Brown is right about this stuff.

 

[Tim Nelson]

anotherdelay,

I'm looking at your insurance now, if you have family and standard plan, your deductible is $2550 and out of pocket max of $5000 which doesn't include the deductible, which is really $7550 max? That is what I read. The monthly cost for that from your paycheck $323.16. I don't know your insurance, but that is what I'm reading.

For a comparison, an LUS Part time employee with our 80 family plan pays $202.82 per month and the deductible is $900 and out of pocket max of $6000 which includes deductible, so a true out of pocket max of $6000.

So, a FT LAA employee who needs their insurance in any given year could pay out of pocket, including premiums of $11,427.92. A PT LUS employee would pay $8,433.84. A FT LUS employee would pay $7,216.92. These are max amounts in any given year.

FYI, a PT LUS employee with family and 90 plan would pay $10,055.04 max in any given year.

P. Rez

Prez,
I think there is genuine ignorance in the LAA workforce about this because I work side by side with LAA and I swear most of them say there is little difference between our health care plans and don't understand what we are fussing about. I try to explain but they pretty much say the same thing that anotherday says and they seem to think what we have is comparable to them.

The TWU peeps imo aren't being informed on our plan. I sorta took this for granted that they knew the differences and didn't go around in the breakrooms talking about it but I'm putting something together to help inform the TWU peeps. I support the TWU picketing but there really does have to be information flowing about the health care that LUS has and how we want them to be on our health care.

 

[WeAAsles]

anotherdelay,

I'm looking at your insurance now, if you have family and standard plan, your deductible is $2550 and out of pocket max of $5000 which doesn't include the deductible, which is really $7550 max? That is what I read. The monthly cost for that from your paycheck $323.16. I don't know your insurance, but that is what I'm reading.

For a comparison, an LUS Part time employee with our 80 family plan pays $202.82 per month and the deductible is $900 and out of pocket max of $6000 which includes deductible, so a true out of pocket max of $6000.

So, a FT LAA employee who needs their insurance in any given year could pay out of pocket, including premiums of $11,427.92. A PT LUS employee would pay $8,433.84. A FT LUS employee would pay $7,216.92. These are max amounts in any given year.

FYI, a PT LUS employee with family and 90 plan would pay $10,055.04 max in any given year.

P. Rez

 

[WeAAsles]

Another letter of support. This time from the CWA.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Troll in the house. Don't feed the troll.

The first step is admitting it.

Congrats.

 

[NYer]

NYer,

I'm not going to get into details, but what I can say is that EVERY remaining item was less than industry or equal.

P. Rez

Well that shouldn't be unexpected. When the Association released their initial positions in December 2015 and it was the best of the best you'd have to expect the counter to that would be the opposite.

Those initial proposals, in my opinion, caused more time to be spent for each side to move towards a TA in each or most Articles. I understand the purpose but it also make things take longer.

Now that we're into the tough subjects don't think it should have been a surprise the initial proposal was also lacking.

We play the high card and they'll play the low card.

 

[ograc]

Well that shouldn't be unexpected. When the Association released their initial positions in December 2015 and it was the best of the best you'd have to expect the counter to that would be the opposite.

Those initial proposals, in my opinion, caused more time to be spent for each side to move towards a TA in each or most Articles. I understand the purpose but it also make things take longer.

Now that we're into the tough subjects don't think it should have been a surprise the initial proposal was also lacking.

We play the high card and they'll play the low card.

Negotiations 101. We now have a comprehensive proposal from the company on each of the remaining $$$ Articles outstanding. Should come as no surprise they are lacking. It should come as no surprise to anyone. We negotiate from this point. Sub par proposals, put forth by the company, on all remaining Articles, indicates they are not willing to meet industry leading on all Articles. The battle lines will have to be drawn. We are down to the nuts and bolts.

 

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[WeAAsles]

Thank you dvlhog for posting. And thank you President Petersen for speaking for ALL groups and not just Maintenance.

It is VERY appreciated.

 

[AANOTOK]

You could feel how bad the proposal was. In my opinion, that was a pretty powerful and telling video on just how rotten this management team is going to be. The culture at this airline has not changed...Yes Gary, please release AA's proposal so we can all get the anger you showed inside of us...

 

[Koolcat]

Releasing the proposal could possibly backfire! Why take a chance and give the company leverage?

 

[AANOTOK]

They already have all the leverage, all of it!

 

[conehead777]

Releasing the proposal could possibly backfire! Why take a chance and give the company leverage?

a good union member is a well informed member. If the twu releases the package then we can work that in our favor. We can let the company know that we do not want to be under valued. And let them know we are not going to accept it. Parker got up on jetnet and promised a industry leading contract when we get the info we can put it in his face in the town hall are one of his crew meetings. Plus use it in the media like the pilots did. After the pilots put in the media they put a no confidence vote on Parker they got a raise . It’s time we play hard ball like the pilots and flight attendants. They have guts we need to do the same thing. We need to use the pilots playbooks

 

[Tim Nelson]

This guy Peterson is NOT owned by the TWU or Association. Seems like a TRUE Labor leader who doesn't kiss the pinky of his superiors but serves his members. Interesting.