JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Albert]

i hope i'm wrong about dl for dl employees and all airline employees...but i believe the wage train for dl stops at the magic plateau of $30+/hr. that, along with the extremely generous profit sharing should be enough to tide them over for some years...i'm thinking 3-4 years. i believe dl mngt. has no problem thinking and believing that.

it was ua & munoz that stepped up last and set the new bar. the 4th most profitable airline paying industry leading wages. $33.30 max rate along with .51/.61 actual shift differential will compel aa to pay us $35/hr max rate. i believe that.

as far as the rest, yes. 60 years ago with today's health care costs, health insurance would have been paramount. we know in eisenhower's usa that the husband was the breadwinner and the wife was a 'homemaker'. today, the wife works while the usa has appx. 50% divorce rate and the ones who suffer with the costs are the ones that have a family and perhaps the wife's job doesn't have a quality insurance plan.

i'll admit that i thought parker would have given a nod and we would have had a contract by late last year. obviously, i was wrong and this is not the case and i still don't understand why the association is getting a lot of heat. to me, the foot dragging is on the company.

You mean $33.30 at the end of their 5 year contract. Ok DL is at $30.15 x3% is 90 cents. 30 17 +90 is $31.07 at a 5 year contract say at least 2. 1% year will bring us close to $35 with a 55 cent differential As far as health care you are not going to do better than the other 80,000 employees so get that out of your head

 

[WeAAsles]

I didn't say that, you could use the existing people like we do a LUS.Guess you rather see them close EWR then you climbing the jetway stairs 4 times a day

Al do you know how local management calculates manhours? You have those built in to accommodate that job task. Take away that job task and you get less hours which could take away from heads if they don't find a need to utilize them elsewhere.

Take for example here in MIA. We had shrinkage directly on the line at the gates. But now we also have people dumping Local bags and Transfer Drivers sent out from the zone.

And we bring up the escorts. That's part of our job function. CWA has it in their contract that they bring escorts and bags down. That's part of their SCOPE. Those jobs are either being done directly by the Agents themselves or should be being done by the CARS position people, not any sub contractor.

 

[Albert]

Al do you know how local management calculates manhours? You have those built in to accommodate that job task. Take away that job task and you get less hours which could take away from heads if they don't find a need to utilize them elsewhere.

Take for example here in MIA. We had shrinkage directly on the line at the gates. But now we also have people dumping Local bags and Transfer Drivers sent out from the zone.

And we bring up the escorts. That's part of our job function. CWA has it in their contract that they bring escorts and bags down. That's part of their SCOPE. Those jobs are either being done directly by the Agents themselves or should be being done by the CARS position people, not any sub contractor.

Here I'm pretty sure Prime flight puts the bags on the slide for AA

 

[WeAAsles]

You mean $33.30 at the end of their 5 year contract. Ok DL is at $30.15 x3% is 90 cents. 30 17 +90 is $31.07 at a 5 year contract say at least 2. 1% year will bring us close to $35 with a 55 cent differential As far as health care you are not going to do better than the other 80,000 employees so get that out of your head

Crema no point in arguing with this guy on this subject. Just be glad he and others out there like him are not negotiating for us.

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[WeAAsles]

Here I'm pretty sure Prime flight puts the bags on the slide for AA

They aren't supposed to be anymore. That's supposed to be a CWA Represented CARS function.

 

[WeAAsles]

i hope i'm wrong about dl for dl employees and all airline employees...but i believe the wage train for dl stops at the magic plateau of $30+/hr. that, along with the extremely generous profit sharing should be enough to tide them over for some years...i'm thinking 3-4 years. i believe dl mngt. has no problem thinking and believing that.

it was ua & munoz that stepped up last and set the new bar. the 4th most profitable airline paying industry leading wages. $33.30 max rate along with .51/.61 actual shift differential will compel aa to pay us $35/hr max rate. i believe that.

as far as the rest, yes. 60 years ago with today's health care costs, health insurance would have been paramount. we know in eisenhower's usa that the husband was the breadwinner and the wife was a 'homemaker'. today, the wife works while the usa has appx. 50% divorce rate and the ones who suffer with the costs are the ones that have a family and perhaps the wife's job doesn't have a quality insurance plan.

i'll admit that i thought parker would have given a nod and we would have had a contract by late last year. obviously, i was wrong and this is not the case and i still don't understand why the association is getting a lot of heat. to me, the foot dragging is on the company.

My bet would be DL will again at best match us next April? But the major leapfrog game appears to be over. If DL does leap over ever again and we're locked in to our JCBA that's it. I'm done. I'm not going to gripe and moan if we agree on something and it passes the vote.

The Pilots and Flight Attendants don't want to honor their agreement that's on them. My comment will be I don't give a S.

 

[Albert]

Crema no point in arguing with this guy on this subject. Just be glad he and others out there like him are not negotiating for us.

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Weez with this post you are now publicly stating,going on the record, announcing to the world that we will be getting more than 3% over Delta. Well thank you Weez ,this is encouraging since I know you got peeps in high places

 

[WeAAsles]

Weez with this post you are now publicly stating,going on the record, announcing to the world that we will be getting more than 3% over Delta. Well thank you Weez ,this is encouraging since I know you got peeps in high places

Ok Al sure. Put me down on the record. "But you said" May, Oct, May, July, Oct, May again. "I said"

"I journeyed to the East
I struggled to stay afloat
A solitary Buddhist monk
Threw me a rope
Looked me in the eye said
Don't make me say this twice
You want to be a monk, you got to cook a lot of rice"


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[anotherdelay]

What's the major hold up on the contract? catering, cargo, ready reserve, or the crappy pension?

 

[anotherdelay]

it can't be the pension, because they're going to force everyone into that monstrosity. It can't be ready reserve because, that's more union dues. so its catering and cargo. which one stays or do both get outsourced?

 

[AANOTOK]

I know Cargo here at DFW has a lot of seniority in that building. As AA has always wanted to do, get rid of the high senior guys by taking away their jobs and forcing them into areas they are no longer comfortable working or physically unable to do. I see that as a huge possibility if the company gives the Union some other carrot. As for catering, I heard Isom say they were completely disgusted with the outsourced companies they are using, he stated they could not get them to do their jobs. So, that might be the carrot, give us Cargo, we will grow the catering...just a thought.

 

[anotherdelay]

Cargo just seems to be way to important for the company to give up, to outsourcing in the hubs. catering, can't see how they could ever really intergrate and in source it. Just way to many variables.

 

[WeAAsles]

I know Cargo here at DFW has a lot of seniority in that building. As AA has always wanted to do, get rid of the high senior guys by taking away their jobs and forcing them into areas they are no longer comfortable working or physically unable to do. I see that as a huge possibility if the company gives the Union some other carrot. As for catering, I heard Isom say they were completely disgusted with the outsourced companies they are using, he stated they could not get them to do their jobs. So, that might be the carrot, give us Cargo, we will grow the catering...just a thought.

Let's not forget how things are now trending. PSA at AA insourced jobs into the Union, CARS. After Munoz stepped in and gave the IAM a corrected contract UAL brought jobs back IN house.

Show me one agreement reached out there since the AA/US Merger where the trend among the Majors has been to outsource work?

Tick Tock.

 

[WeAAsles]

The Major Airlines now have the financial ability to bring jobs back in and regain Quality Control.

Quality is going to be the only product they can really offer to differentiate themselves from each other going forward.

 

[AANOTOK]

The old regime (AA) had Cargo completely outsourced if I recall under the BK contract but gave in to the five "Cornerstone stations" (DFW, MIA, JFK, MIA, LAX) at the last minute when the TWU gave something else instead. I do know the folks that don't work Cargo here in Dallas really couldn't care less about that facility if it mean't a bump in pay or other perks. Pretty much the folks in Dallas who work Cargo always bid there and the folks here on the line will never bid over there. As for the other four stations, I don't know.
The Company did have Cargo on the chopping block at the beginning of negotiations, now I'm not sure it's even being discussed. Time will tell. I will say, IMO that would be a huge concession and I would be totally disappointed in our NC to even entertain that or any other concession with Billions in profits.