JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[bob@las-AA]

Are you forgetting that when we removed Todd from our local and I was in the room to replace him. I was there. I saw it with my own eyes. You remember I told everyone at my local that all you guys was doing was getting drunk every night. You then corrected me and said " I am wrong. WE get drunk every OTHER night.
Everything that was talked about was based on the amount of money the company had put on the table. I asked why don't we work on a plan that would not just let one station do what needs to be done and I was told that WE COULD NOT TALK LIKE THAT. See when you tell The Truth, It will set U Free.

Go rub rock salt.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Bob. Since last year thru current we ve lost 15 people due to termination transfers accidents etc. Approval for 4 newbies. Somehow some way the corp math vs our reality dont mix. Enter our warm humid months i think our injury rates go up as peeps here are fed up working severely short staffed back to back flights. Often with excessively high loads esp military movements and we get those on average 4 or 5 times a week

New hires, as in PT?
I will admit to one thing, you didn't have the levels of clerks that the combined seniority said you had. It said you had 90 IAM clerks on the ramp. As for today, I wouldn't expect to have anymore than the three per-flight. Dallas is the last hub to go to 4-man crews, right now we have 6.

 

[WeAAsles]

New hires, as in PT?
I will admit to one thing, you didn't have the levels of clerks that the combined seniority said you had. It said you had 90 IAM clerks on the ramp. As for today, I wouldn't expect to have anymore than the three per-flight. Dallas is the last hub to go to 4-man crews, right now we have 6.

Bob we have 4 man crews here but it's because they have a transfer driver operation where they send guys out to run bags. For instance when we get an MCO inbound they send out an army to run bags. You'll have way more than a 6 man crew if you count them in.

Now say it's a very heavy outbound? Sometimes another crew will show up maybe to do the front or we may just get a person or two sent out from the zone?

So the operation here is more fluid depending on the need of the particular flight.

A light International inbound (Everything in one belly) will get no help at all. Light outbound the same thing.

Lunch relief if it's not built into the days schedule will usually get another gate crew to work an inbound, outbound or even turn if it's needed.

In the last 6 years here I only recall walking for lunch 1 time (Not like the old days in DFW)

 

[WeAAsles]

New hires, as in PT?
I will admit to one thing, you didn't have the levels of clerks that the combined seniority said you had. It said you had 90 IAM clerks on the ramp. As for today, I wouldn't expect to have anymore than the three per-flight. Dallas is the last hub to go to 4-man crews, right now we have 6.

They tried one time to take the 6 man off the gate and it was a disaster for the operation. I also don't see them ever going down to taking away your drivers and sending them out from BLS.

Way too many bags needing to be transferred there that it would be ridiculous not to just leave 2 guys on the gate to perform that task. Not to mention the size of DFW. Massive.

 

[The Truth Will Set U Free]

Years ago I helped a friend buy a new car. I gathered all the facts I could on the car and searched around at prices and option packages before I made the move on one particular dealership that had the car the guy wanted. Of course the salesman started off a little below his own sticker price to make it look like we were getting a deal.

After haggling with the guy for a long time and him doing that back and forth schtick with having to ask his manager and me threatening to walk out (The guy I was with wanted to grab the deal at one point) I finally exhausted the salesman enough that he brought out the invoice to prove they were only going to make $500 on the car and I said OK.

A lot of our past negotiations were a little different then they are today. But you are "somewhat" right. Let's say the Company in their minds for example is willing to tack on 500 Million to their Labor Cost expenses in these talks. Do you think they walk in the door and tell us that they're willing to do that? Of course not. The first aim of course is to try to flim flam and get a cost neutral deal. Hell long term even a cost savings if we had morons in there (We don't)

So over time the back and forth commences to get to that (unknown) bar they have in their minds. Other factors can also play in getting to that bar. Timelines they want or need it done by for either investor security, loan agreements, a POR, or Executive performance bonuses, or even something they feel they can work with.

The only time how you word it comes into play is if you are in concessionary bargaining talks (Where costs need to be cut either through BK or the fear of BK, "What NYer went through) or they throw a number out so large that you bulge your eyes out of your head and they tell you to put the pieces together to make it fit.

Otherwise it's almost like a game of cat and mouse trying to figure out how much they're willing to sell that car to you for, before saying they're done with you and let you really walk out of that dealership.

Hope this helps clear it up for you a little?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

You people need to wake up. The deal is DONE. They brought the NMB in so they can blame it on them. We already have a TA. They just want to figure out a way to spin it. If it was a good deal it would already be released.

There is no such thing as Negotiation . AA puts a set amount of money on the table and lets the Union figure out how to issue it . That is a FACT.

I agree. I think the deal was already made long ago.

Then why make us wait?

To manipulate you into thinking their puppet UNION actually accomplished something when they grudgingly hand over scraps after a "hard fought" negotiation.

It is a tactic they use on stupid people.

It worked on you after all.

 

[The Truth Will Set U Free]

LOL. No thanks. I told is just as I saw it.

 

[The Truth Will Set U Free]

Go rub rock salt.

What did I say that made you tell me to go rub salt. Were you one of the Drunks in the room back then. If you was i guess you didn't want anyone to know you and all your boys are a bunch of drunks.

 

[The Truth Will Set U Free]

Sorry, you lost me.

I lost you at what part. The Truth about what was going on.

 

[P. REZ]

I lost you at what part. The Truth about what was going on.

You said deal is done and we were looking for excuse that NMB caused contract. I said we don't have a deal and we will not blame anything on LP. Then you posted some other stuff, Todd, etc.? Huh?

 

[WeAAsles]

 

[robbedagain]

New hires, as in PT?
I will admit to one thing, you didn't have the levels of clerks that the combined seniority said you had. It said you had 90 IAM clerks on the ramp. As for today, I wouldn't expect to have anymore than the three per-flight. Dallas is the last hub to go to 4-man crews, right now we have 6.

2 transfers in one from CLT and one from ORD however we have yet to meet the one from ORD yes both are PT If we were to go to 3 person crew per flight we'd be losing some folks per those idiotic clowns in DFW who claim we are way over staffed to which we are still trying to figure out where and how. On the other hand should we go to that 3 person crew guarantee delays will pile up due to manpower of course that would not sit well with mgmt. hubs are way different than out cities like mine we do far more work than hubs so w 3 person crew... the person running the bags wont be back anytime soon if at all so that leaves one in the bin (738 long bins) (MD-80 either long or short) and one at bottom of belt doing clp numbers the lead... if we are lucky enough to have one will be up in the jetway getting those 30 plus bags if he is not on another flight and 9 out of 10 times crew working one flight sees their next one waiting to be parked pilot being mad no one is there to park it its things like this corp needs to understand and actually see instead of staring down at paper and saying this or that etc

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

So what is that supposed to be a family reunion picture?

 

[Kev3188]

2 transfers in one from CLT and one from ORD however we have yet to meet the one from ORD yes both are PT If we were to go to 3 person crew per flight we'd be losing some folks per those idiotic clowns in DFW who claim we are way over staffed to which we are still trying to figure out where and how. On the other hand should we go to that 3 person crew guarantee delays will pile up due to manpower of course that would not sit well with mgmt. hubs are way different than out cities like mine we do far more work than hubs so w 3 person crew... the person running the bags wont be back anytime soon if at all so that leaves one in the bin (738 long bins) (MD-80 either long or short) and one at bottom of belt doing clp numbers the lead... if we are lucky enough to have one will be up in the jetway getting those 30 plus bags if he is not on another flight and 9 out of 10 times crew working one flight sees their next one waiting to be parked pilot being mad no one is there to park it its things like this corp needs to understand and actually see instead of staring down at paper and saying this or that etc

Welcome to my world...

 

[Jester]

On the other hand should we go to that 3 person crew guarantee delays will pile up due to manpower of course that would not sit well with mgmt. hubs are way different than out cities like mine we do far more work than hubs so w 3 person crew... the person running the bags wont be back anytime soon if at all so that leaves one in the bin (738 long bins) (MD-80 either long or short) and one at bottom of belt doing clp numbers the lead... if we are lucky enough to have one will be up in the jetway getting those 30 plus bags if he is not on another flight and 9 out of 10 times crew working one flight sees their next one waiting to be parked pilot being mad no one is there to park it its things like this corp needs to understand and actually see instead of staring down at paper and saying this or that etc

Three man teams (plus lead/crew chief) are plenty provided they are not running bags or excessive amounts of freight with ground turns (short turns). Frankly, even a 2-man teams (plus the lead) are workable in most situations especially with a power stow (and I know that's a reality few want to hear.) Of course with 2-man teams, the AA crew chiefs would need to be more involved in the unloading and push backs. The Fort Worth boys will look to slash ground operations as they ran a lean operation with AW/US.