JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[bob@las-AA]

Robert Isom is coming to our station (IAH) tomorrow. Maybe I'll ask him what's taking so long with negotiations. I know I'll get the run around. Lol

AA/US is in IAH?

 

[WeAAsles]

Agreed. With all this money being spent at this station, I know there is alot they aren't telling the entire membership.

Actually if they're spending a lot of money in a Station that's a GOOD thing. It's when they're not spending any money that I'd start to get nervous.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Robert Isom is coming to our station (IAH) tomorrow. Maybe I'll ask him what's taking so long with negotiations. I know I'll get the run around. Lol

Great. Maybe one of you guys can ask him why the negotiations are dragging out. Specifically why the actions by the company do not jibe with Parkers public statements of speedy negotiations.

 

[Koolcat]

Another problem is mgmt at AA has never had earnings like the past couple of years. And unlike the other airlines who went to their employees and gave better deals without having to, these guys nickel and dime us. The Association has had no answer to this and may have even contributed to it. With the other airlines trying to patch things up with their employees after years of sticking it to them, you would think this mgmt would also instead of blowing smoke up everybodys arse.

The company will always set their guns in getting a cost neutral contract

 

[Koolcat]

Weez it looks like a top out SW FSC will be getting around 13.1% or around 5,000 to 8,000 smackers in profit sharing. I base that on $65,000 You'd be able to get some high class escorts

Southwest Airlines' 43rd consecutive ProfitSharing award. For the 2016 plan year, Southwest announced a new funding structure that will pay part of the ProfitSharing award to the retirement plan and part in cash. Most employees will receive 10 percent of eligible compensation as a contribution to the ProfitSharing Plan and the remainder approximately 3.2 percentage in cash, both of which will be paid on April 20, 2017. Some employees will receive the entire ProfitSharing award in the retirement plan as specified in their collective bargaining agreement.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

I will gladly take this PS check this time, but I from the beginning did not want it, I would much rather have it baked right in my wage.

well, ummm...getting $35.00/hr max rate is having delta/united/southwest profit sharing baked into the cake. if anything, the window may open for ua fscs (currently 4th most profitable airline) to blow by us when adding wages + profit sharing. now and when they max out at $33.30/hr. (not counting differential).

And finally to Creamy, in order for the membership to get $35/hour TOS, the company would have to shed half of us, to me, this is unacceptable.

well, ua must be all dummies, because they will pay their fscs $33.30/hr max rate, joe lunchbox making $33.87/hr with shift differential by dec. 2021. $1.50 more an hour at aa will cause layoffs in the 7,000 fsc range?

a few weeks ago, parker was asked about redundancy and he talked about layoffs not being in the picture for aa's team members. parker mentioned attrition and early-outs. the early-outs is interesting. whether they be generous or whether aa tries to pull a fast one and include early-out compensation as part of the overall contract compensation package.

anyways, thousands of fscs and mechanics went up apprx $6-$9/$10 an hour in a blink of an eye. this is what it cost aa, one quarter for fsc & amt:

In a Securities and Exchange Commission filing Friday, American told investors that the new pay rates will increase its operating costs by $120 million in the fourth quarter.

that was one quarter, all at once, raises that were larger than than the ones i anticipate us getting, will take 5 years to earn and will give aa years to deal the money.

if you can't sleep at night worried about the financial health of aa, going forward, remember the deal they made last summer with citibank & barclays.

July 12, 2016, 8:50 AM CDT
American Airlines Group Inc. expects new credit-card deals with Citigroup Inc. and Barclays Plc to boost its pretax income by about $1.55 billion over the next two-and-a-half years.

The accords will generate $200 million before taxes in the second half of this year, $550 million in 2017 and $800 million in 2018, the carrier said in a U.S. regulatory filingTuesday. The pacts extend existing partnerships the carrier has with both banks and will provide “continued modest improvement” in pretax income after 2018 compared with the current deals.

this is real ancillary income. don't worry, we'll be fine.

 

[Colonel.Ramp]

AA/US is in IAH?

95% American. Envoy has ramp, bso and bag hygiene which is a joke.

 

[Colonel.Ramp]

Actually if they're spending a lot of money in a Station that's a GOOD thing. It's when they're not spending any money that I'd start to get nervous.

True. The spent 6 figures on a new break room and now took over the space they had from the city when it was mainline before bankruptcy. It will be AA offices there. Another 6 figures. At least 7 million in all plus. Maybe maintenance. They just gave us the fancy headsets they have in the hubs and buying two new Electros and lav trucks. We're getting Tlink and the new scanners. Doesn't sound to me as Envoy is in the picture. He's coming because we won't the customer cup for the fifth time in 8 quarters. Maybe they'll reward us by kicking Envoy out and switching us over. TWU agreed that may be the case which is why they stalled on representing us. Plus we did well for the Superbowl so who knows.

 

[Colonel.Ramp]

Great. Maybe one of you guys can ask him why the negotiations are dragging out. Specifically why the actions by the company do not jibe with Parkers public statements of speedy negotiations.

That was my plan.

 

[pjirish317]

, but it's the integration that will be the killer. No one seems to be talking about that either, I put out a list with different scope in it, it must have been right on because it wasn't well received. And finally to Creamy, in order for the membership to get $35/hour TOS, the company would have to shed half of us, to me, this is unacceptable.

Bob,

Your "scope" was proven wrong. The E-190's are and will remain considered mainline not envoy. Why can't you understand this?

 

[bob@las-AA]

Bob,

Your "scope" was proven wrong. The E-190's are and will remain considered mainline not envoy. Why can't you understand this?

No so fast kid, the fat lady is clearing her throat, so don't be so confident.

 

[pjirish317]

No so fast kid, the fat lady is clearing her throat, so don't be so confident.

So you're telling me that the Pilots will re-open their CBA just to reclassify the E-190's as Envoy? Because you do know that it's in their CBA that the E-190's are considered mainline right? It has ZERO to do with our scope. If it's considered mainline in the Pilots CBA then it's mainline for us. Why can't you understand this? Who you calling kid? And which "fat lady" is clearing her throat? The one Tim Nelson told you to listen to? Good luck with that.

 

[wings396]

So you're telling me that the Pilots will re-open their CBA just to reclassify the E-190's as Envoy? Because you do know that it's in their CBA that the E-190's are considered mainline right? It has ZERO to do with our scope. If it's considered mainline in the Pilots CBA then it's mainline for us. Why can't you understand this? Who you calling kid? And which "fat lady" is clearing her throat? The one Tim Nelson told you to listen to? Good luck with that.

Have to disagree with you on this topic as well Bob. The E-190 has,is, and will continue to be considered a Mainline A/C.
If it doesn't say Express or Eagle on the side, it's not. As PJ mentioned, the Pilot group isn't going to just give away these by changing the scope in their CBA. Reducing the 190 to the max seating permitted by their scope, would be a complete waste since it would basically become an E-175.

 

[bob@las-AA]

So you're telling me that the Pilots will re-open their CBA just to reclassify the E-190's as Envoy? Because you do know that it's in their CBA that the E-190's are considered mainline right? It has ZERO to do with our scope. If it's considered mainline in the Pilots CBA then it's mainline for us. Why can't you understand this? Who you calling kid? And which "fat lady" is clearing her throat? The one Tim Nelson told you to listen to? Good luck with that.

Have to disagree with you on this topic as well Bob. The E-190 has,is, and will continue to be considered a Mainline A/C.
If it doesn't say Express or Eagle on the side, it's not. As PJ mentioned, the Pilot group isn't going to just give away these by changing the scope in their CBA. Reducing the 190 to the max seating permitted by their scope, would be a complete waste since it would basically become an E-175.

In a merging world ANYthing is possible, and I have a front row seat for the show.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Bob,

Your "scope" was proven wrong. The E-190's are and will remain considered mainline not envoy. Why can't you understand this?

I gave a "scope scenario" for the entire system, and it was scoffed at but in no way defeated, it is you oh wee one that is failing to view the what could possibly happen. A few of us are placing bets on the outcome. And it's not looking good for the US camp.