JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Colonel.Ramp]

Sounds pretty positive and promising there for you then. Excellent glad to read it.

Thanks. I hope it works out.

 

[WeAAsles]

Hard to say, but if I recall the operation was starting to suffer from mechanics pulling planes out of service which is what I heard. I'd say what United did was honorable by not implementing that awful contract and giving the UA guys what they did. You look at the rankings of airlines and we are really at the bottom. The company could have been pro-active and done a deal with us but for some reason they didn't. We got a nice raise but with the 2 different deals it's going to be very hard to resolve. I would love to be proven wrong.

Maybe the company should have only fronted us (half) the money so the members would still have something to work towards and for?

By no means am I saying that the Company negotiators are innocent little rabbits but look at your comment "The company could have been pro-active and done a deal with us but for some reason they didn't"?

What that implies is that the company should have no say in "negotiating" and just give in to any and all of our demands for the sake of expediency. Would you feel the same way if someone was trying to buy something from you and was being inflexible? Maybe selling a car worth $10,000 and the guy won't back off of $5,000?

I'm really just wondering on "some" issues who the hell is really nickle and dimeing who?

And in your opinion am I and my group being held hostage because of that great medical plan you got? If we are then all my Brotherly Love for the IAM side just flew out the window.

 

[Talos]

No WeAAsles, the company is going to do what it will do. They never seemed to be in a hurry to get a deal and the Association was having its own problems. By being pro-active I meant to take the initiative in negotiating. Kind of like what UA did for their people. It was nice to get the raise but the unions should have known that the 2 different deals would now be a real problem going forward. Also, I'm not LUS. I am LAA and I'm not sure but I've heard the LUS medical is much better and cheaper than ours. This is a problem to negotiate through.That and station staffing. Kind of hard figuring a way around this. This is one of the problems the Association has made by having 2 groups negotiate together. You do get held hostage in situations like that.

 

[WeAAsles]

No WeAAsles, the company is going to do what it will do. They never seemed to be in a hurry to get a deal and the Association was having its own problems. By being pro-active I meant to take the initiative in negotiating. Kind of like what UA did for their people. It was nice to get the raise but the unions should have known that the 2 different deals would now be a real problem going forward. Also, I'm not LUS. I am LAA and I'm not sure but I've heard the LUS medical is much better and cheaper than ours. This is a problem to negotiate through.That and station staffing. Kind of hard figuring a way around this. This is one of the problems the Association has made by having 2 groups negotiate together. You do get held hostage in situations like that.

Inflexible ideologies and Political positions seem to also be a slight problem quite frankly.

 

[Koolcat]

It's forlong conclusion that LUS health benefits will aline with the rest of the work groups.

 

[Albert]

It's forlong conclusion that LUS health benefits will aline with the rest of the work groups.

Yes we at US are going to be in AA inferior more expensive plan we are also going to watch as AA pumps millions maybe billions into your frozen pension plan.More millions might go into that other stuff you have pending in arbitration.And last but not least I will after going on 39 years have to rotate my days off. Now you might understand the longer it takes the better for LUS

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Yes we at US are going to be in AA inferior more expensive plan we are also going to watch as AA pumps millions maybe billions into your frozen pension plan.

i try to help:

CFO kerr said that right now, aa has $17 billion in pension obligations and assets are around $10 billion.

kerr said that aa will make a $300 million contribution in q2 of 2017. aa will then make a $1.1 billion contribution in 2018 and then make an $850 million contribution in 2019.

looks like $2.25 Billion to me..from 2017-2019. the good news is, in 55 years, i bet aa's pension obligations will be around $104,000.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Also, I'm not LUS. I am LAA and I'm not sure but I've heard the LUS medical is much better and cheaper than ours.

it does appear that way, but good for you that you admitted it. i had to pull teeth and deal with crafty LUS people who refused to admit what LUS' wages were, prior to the merger.

anyways, good for the merger and full steam ahead. i heard today that yesterday, parker told his management faithful that they will NOT get a raise...flip-flopping on last year's promise for raises "one we take care of the twu...we will take care of you".

level 4s and below have to be heartbroken.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

it does appear that way, but good for you that you admitted it. i had to pull teeth and deal with crafty LUS people who refused to admit what LUS' wages were, prior to the merger.

anyways, good for the merger and full steam ahead. i heard today that yesterday, parker told his management faithful that they will NOT get a raise...flip-flopping on last year's promise for raises "one we take care of the twu...we will take care of you".

level 4s and below have to be heartbroken.

I won't be shedding a tear for management not seeing a raise. We have been on the sidelines for years watching all levels of management receive raises and bonuses. I had a supervisor joke and try to laugh off his raise telling me "don't worry, you guys are going to get paid eventually ". I let him know I didn't find it funny at all. We have sat by and watched the pilots and flight attendents get raises in negotiations and outside of their cba's. Nope, I won't lose one wink of sleep. It's OUR turn!!

 

[CremaDiLimone]

i wonder what the ratio of supervisors to fsc is? we seem to have an awful lot of them. i don't know if it appears that way or actually is that way for your group.

in my station the company hired a handful of CSMs from eagle/envoy. one these guys supervising an air berlin flight didn't know that air berlin was an airbus. it says airbus right on the fuselage.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Supervisors have shown up all over the place at DWH. Heck I don't know who our supervisor is from one night to the next. Idk what our ratio is but it has to be pretty high. I don't think I have ever seen such a top heavy management structure.

 

[bob@las-AA]

True. The spent 6 figures on a new break room and now took over the space they had from the city when it was mainline before bankruptcy. It will be AA offices there. Another 6 figures. At least 7 million in all plus. Maybe maintenance. They just gave us the fancy headsets they have in the hubs and buying two new Electros and lav trucks. We're getting Tlink and the new scanners. Doesn't sound to me as Envoy is in the picture. He's coming because we won't the customer cup for the fifth time in 8 quarters. Maybe they'll reward us by kicking Envoy out and switching us over. TWU agreed that may be the case which is why they stalled on representing us. Plus we did well for the Superbowl so who knows.

I confused, you work on the ramp, then who do you work for.

 

[Albert]

Supervisors have shown up all over the place at DWH. Heck I don't know who our supervisor is from one night to the next. Idk what our ratio is but it has to be pretty high. I don't think I have ever seen such a top heavy management structure.

LUS was never big on having a lot of managers in fact we have more managers now with about 60 flights then we did when we had 200. Maybe that's why they aren't getting raises if that is true. You have these kids watching workers old enough to be their parent or grandparents

 

[Talos]

i wonder what the ratio of supervisors to fsc is? we seem to have an awful lot of them. i don't know if it appears that way or actually is that way for your group.

in my station the company hired a handful of CSMs from eagle/envoy. one these guys supervising an air berlin flight didn't know that air berlin was an airbus. it says airbus right on the fuselage.

At DFW there are quite a few CSMs that you wonder what their function is. We had one new CSM watching a quick turn ask a guy if he would hook up the tow bar. He had to show her that the tow bar was for a triple7 not a 737 which was on the gate.We all laughed since it was pretty funny but I thought why do they put these people out here in a position to embarrass themselves. Doesn't make sense.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

At DFW there are quite a few CSMs that you wonder what their function is. We had one new CSM watching a quick turn ask a guy if he would hook up the tow bar. He had to show her that the tow bar was for a triple7 not a 737 which was on the gate.We all laughed since it was pretty funny but I thought why do they put these people out here in a position to embarrass themselves. Doesn't make sense.

Why would she know about tow bars? Better yet, why would you expect her to know about tow bars?