JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

I gave a "scope scenario" for the entire system, and it was scoffed at but in no way defeated, it is you oh wee one that is failing to view the what could possibly happen. A few of us are placing bets on the outcome. And it's not looking good for the US camp.

Bob what's your purpose in hitting these guys on this 190 issue? From what I read those planes are slowly being phased out anyway. Pilots aren't going to open their SCOPE to talk about them anyway either so the entire conversation is rather moot.

 

[Koolcat]

well, ummm...getting $35.00/hr max rate is having delta/united/southwest profit sharing baked into the cake. if anything, the window may open for ua fscs (currently 4th most profitable airline) to blow by us when adding wages + profit sharing. now and when they max out at $33.30/hr. (not counting differential).



well, ua must be all dummies, because they will pay their fscs $33.30/hr max rate, joe lunchbox making $33.87/hr with shift differential by dec. 2021. $1.50 more an hour at aa will cause layoffs in the 7,000 fsc range?

a few weeks ago, parker was asked about redundancy and he talked about layoffs not being in the picture for aa's team members. parker mentioned attrition and early-outs. the early-outs is interesting. whether they be generous or whether aa tries to pull a fast one and include early-out compensation as part of the overall contract compensation package.

anyways, thousands of fscs and mechanics went up apprx $6-$9/$10 an hour in a blink of an eye. this is what it cost aa, one quarter for fsc & amt:



that was one quarter, all at once, raises that were larger than than the ones i anticipate us getting, will take 5 years to earn and will give aa years to deal the money.

if you can't sleep at night worried about the financial health of aa, going forward, remember the deal they made last summer with citibank & barclays.



this is real ancillary income. don't worry, we'll be fine.

Stop with the fear mongering, been hearing it for the past 5 years already ,please grow a set!

 

[cltrat]

I gave a "scope scenario" for the entire system, and it was scoffed at but in no way defeated, it is you oh wee one that is failing to view the what could possibly happen. A few of us are placing bets on the outcome. And it's not looking good for the US camp.

well since you're betting I'm willing to bet you as long as they are 190's on the property we are going to be working them

 

[pjirish317]

I gave a "scope scenario" for the entire system, and it was scoffed at but in no way defeated, it is you oh wee one that is failing to view the what could possibly happen. A few of us are placing bets on the outcome. And it's not looking good for the US camp.

Bob,
So what would you like to wager on? The Pilots re-opening their CBA to change their SCOPE, thus opening the door to alter our SCOPE to accomodate your "ill conceived and not very well researched scenario" to make the E-190's envoy? I'll take that bet, you just name the terms. And no the bet will not cover them being phased out.

Bob what's your purpose in hitting these guys on this 190 issue? From what I read those planes are slowly being phased out anyway. Pilots aren't going to open their SCOPE to talk about them anyway either so the entire conversation is rather moot.

WeAAsles,

I am pretty sure you are correct about the E-190's being phased out, I'm just not sure of the dates. But the conversation isn't moot by any means.

 

[WeAAsles]

Bob,
So what would you like to wager on? The Pilots re-opening their CBA to change their SCOPE, thus opening the door to alter our SCOPE to accomodate your "ill conceived and not very well researched scenario" to make the E-190's envoy? I'll take that bet, you just name the terms. And no the bet will not cover them being phased out.



WeAAsles,

I am pretty sure you are correct about the E-190's being phased out, I'm just not sure of the dates. But the conversation isn't moot by any means.

Alright Irish I'll go with the conversation is annoying instead. I don't know why Bob wants to keep rattling your chains over the issue? The 190's are yours period and it's ridiculous to argue with anyone who actually crawls in those bellys is how I look at it.

And if you look at AA Fleet and order book I think those birds phase out (Off the top of my head) at the end of 2019?

Besides there are plenty of other jets on order anyway so I don't think their phaseout is anything to lose sleep over.

 

[WeAAsles]

Stop with the fear mongering, been hearing it for the past 5 years already ,please grow a set!

I think he was doing the opposite mentioning the credit card agreement.

 

[WeAAsles]

I gave a "scope scenario" for the entire system, and it was scoffed at but in no way defeated, it is you oh wee one that is failing to view the what could possibly happen. A few of us are placing bets on the outcome. And it's not looking good for the US camp.

Bob eventually there will be no more US camp and if you want to sell any doom and gloom scenarios you better be careful there.

Not sure where you stand on that integrated seniority list but just a few days ago you seemed like you weren't in any rush to get this done either and I can only surmise that you might be sitting a little low on that totem pole back there in DFW for your particular liking?

Don't worry Bob. It's nice and warm in winter here in MIA and the Cuban members are always offering coffee.

 

[WeAAsles]

True. The spent 6 figures on a new break room and now took over the space they had from the city when it was mainline before bankruptcy. It will be AA offices there. Another 6 figures. At least 7 million in all plus. Maybe maintenance. They just gave us the fancy headsets they have in the hubs and buying two new Electros and lav trucks. We're getting Tlink and the new scanners. Doesn't sound to me as Envoy is in the picture. He's coming because we won't the customer cup for the fifth time in 8 quarters. Maybe they'll reward us by kicking Envoy out and switching us over. TWU agreed that may be the case which is why they stalled on representing us. Plus we did well for the Superbowl so who knows.

Sounds pretty positive and promising there for you then. Excellent glad to read it.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Bob what's your purpose in hitting these guys on this 190 issue? From what I read those planes are slowly being phased out anyway. Pilots aren't going to open their SCOPE to talk about them anyway either so the entire conversation is rather moot.

Up to 2-3 days ago this thread was dead, I just want to liven it up a little, like you did by going into the MX camp and pooping on their front lawn.

 

[WeAAsles]

Up to 2-3 days ago this thread was dead, I just want to liven it up a little, like you did by going into the MX camp and pooping on their front lawn.

Oh you sneaky little Devil pulling from my bag of tricks. lol.

 

[Albert]

No so fast kid, the fat lady is clearing her throat, so don't be so confident.

You are smelling to much cheap stripper perfume

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Stop with the fear mongering, been hearing it for the past 5 years already ,please grow a set!

i'll do my best...i've been inspired.

 

[Talos]

Nickel and dime us, how so? I think your talking through your backside again.

Maybe nickel and dime us is not the right phrase but I think the upper mgmt here now had a great opportunity to do a deal with us quite a few months ago. It would have been cheaper for the company but these guys were greedy and wanted cheap labor as long as they could have it. It cost them. I also think they are talking a lot of crap about the team and that they are upset about slow negotiations. They now have us where the 2 teams, LUS and LAA have different deals and the negotiations have become harder. I don't see this resolved for quite some time.How can the Association come back to one of the groups and say here is your pay cut by way of higher medical and loss of stations? Not good. So they aren't really nickel and diming us but they have manipulated the negotiations to a hard stalemate.Who knows how long this will take.

 

[WeAAsles]

Maybe nickel and dime us is not the right phrase but I think the upper mgmt here now had a great opportunity to do a deal with us quite a few months ago. It would have been cheaper for the company but these guys were greedy and wanted cheap labor as long as they could have it. It cost them. I also think they are talking a lot of crap about the team and that they are upset about slow negotiations. They now have us where the 2 teams, LUS and LAA have different deals and the negotiations have become harder. I don't see this resolved for quite some time.How can the Association come back to one of the groups and say here is your pay cut by way of higher medical and loss of stations? Not good. So they aren't really nickel and diming us but they have manipulated the negotiations to a hard stalemate.Who knows how long this will take.

Also why maybe doing the somewhat honorable thing and giving us the raises in advance was a stupid gesture on the Company's behalf.

Are we the ones now holding them hostage?

 

[Talos]

Also why maybe doing the somewhat honorable thing and giving us the raises in advance was a stupid gesture on the Company's behalf.

Are we the ones now holding them hostage?

Hard to say, but if I recall the operation was starting to suffer from mechanics pulling planes out of service which is what I heard. I'd say what United did was honorable by not implementing that awful contract and giving the UA guys what they did. You look at the rankings of airlines and we are really at the bottom. The company could have been pro-active and done a deal with us but for some reason they didn't. We got a nice raise but with the 2 different deals it's going to be very hard to resolve. I would love to be proven wrong.