JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Albert]

What I would like to see is if that does happen you and all the other Negotiators will be free to express your displeasure at the items they had a hand in that you disagreed to? (If there are items) I've never understood why if it's respectful to the membership any officer necessary can't be honest on his opinion of the finished product?

The membership as a whole has to be adult enough to make the ultimate decision or to pass it back into your hands anyway.

What I never want to see again is a repeat of that UAL agreement that had the color brochures and was giving the hard sell trying to make the fine print as small as possible.

To yours and others credit Rez you guys didn't do that to your members on your standalone agreement.

Unfortunately Weez if a negotiator did state his disapproval it would probably be the end of his union gig or as you'd say "no soup for you"

 

[WeAAsles]

That one side is our side, isn't it? This is, right now perhaps the best position in the last 30 years and going forward the union will be in as far as contract negotiations . Why not take advantage of it? Weez when you are in your stang and cruising the females you're going slow aren't you. If you go past them at 70mph you might miss that special one ,in your case it's the one not wearing adult pull-ups

Ok Al and I'm really enjoying the conversation here. Let's make up an example of full economic value.

Let's say those Negotiators had decided to stand firm on that item about "Temporary Employees" and the company never budged. Say we also never got the raise.

So now they put up walls and say we'll take it in to Section 6 talks then. So we wait till 2018 and it takes 2 years to finally gain that JCBA.

So now we've lost near 4 years of economic gains that we can never make up. And what's even more difficult is now we're 4 years older and have to maybe stick around at AA because we didn't have the means to put more or enough in to retire the year we would have liked.

Do you think all of that would have been worth it for the piece on Temp Employees? Or maybe it was one Holiday day like today people held firm on? Or a .5 cent difference in shift differential?

What's the particular item that YOU hold most important?

 

[WeAAsles]

Unfortunately Weez if a negotiator did state his disapproval it would probably be the end of his union gig or as you'd say "no soup for you"

Not in my Union and I honestly would like to hope not in yours either?

 

[WeAAsles]

Well now with this out of the way the TWU can concentrate its full resources and attention on us here at AA.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nyda...al-raises-twu-article-1.2947561?client=safari

 

[Albert]

Ok Al and I'm really enjoying the conversation here. Let's make up an example of full economic value.

Let's say those Negotiators had decided to stand firm on that item about "Temporary Employees" and the company never budged. Say we also never got the raise.

So now they put up walls and say we'll take it in to Section 6 talks then. So we wait till 2018 and it takes 2 years to finally gain that JCBA.

So now we've lost near 4 years of economic gains that we can never make up. And what's even more difficult is now we're 4 years older and have to maybe stick around at AA because we didn't have the means to put more or enough in to retire the year we would have liked.

Do you think all of that would have been worth it for the piece on Temp Employees? Or maybe it was one Holiday day like today people held firm on? Or a .5 cent difference in shift differential?

What's the particular item that YOU hold most important?

Actually I'm holding what is most important right now I'll send you a picture but secondly its probably the money of job security.You are putting up a lot of hypothetical scenarios I'm sure the negotiators have their priorities. I understand your wait and see approach I just think how they approached it disrespected the negotiators. No reason why this could not have been done privately

 

[Albert]

Not in my Union and I honestly would like to hope not in yours either?

What union are you in the brotherhood of green elves and unicorns?

 

[WeAAsles]

Actually I'm holding what is most important right now I'll send you a picture but secondly its probably the money of job security.You are putting up a lot of hypothetical scenarios I'm sure the negotiators have their priorities. I understand your wait and see approach I just think how they approached it disrespected the negotiators. No reason why this could not have been done privately

Haven't heard if it was done privately or not before the release of the information. Or if it would have mattered anyway?

 

[Albert]

Haven't heard if it was done privately or not before the release of the information. Or if it would have mattered anyway?

Protocol Weez protocol

 

[WeAAsles]

What union are you in the brotherhood of green elves and unicorns?

Just speaking from what I believe. Our Presidents would speak freely to their membership at their Locals about their opinions.

 

[Albert]

Not in my Union and I honestly would like to hope not in yours either?

What incantation should I use to summon Tim Nelson?

 

[WeAAsles]

Protocol Weez protocol

What I meant is the Leadership does have the right to sit in on the talks if they want.

I don't know why anyway anyone would consider this to be something negative personally?

The Leaders are people just like us and they may hit one out of the park with their assistance?

 

[Albert]

Just speaking from what I believe. Our Presidents would speak freely to their membership at their Locals about their opinions.

That would have no effect if they wanted one of them there cushy six figure TWU jobs?Come on now Weez

 

[WeAAsles]

What incantation should I use to summon Tim Nelson?

He spends his time going nuts on Facebook. He already went off on his loopy rants.

 

[WeAAsles]

That would have no effect if they wanted one of them there cushy six figure TWU jobs?Come on now Weez

Nah. Don't see it personally. That might have been the old Leaders but the ones we have now are very different.

 

[Albert]

What I meant is the Leadership does have the right to sit in on the talks if they want.

I don't know why anyway anyone would consider this to be something negative personally?

The Leaders are people just like us and they may hit one out of the park with their assistance?

Disagree 100%, to me it looks like they are telling the negotiators they are incompetent or even worse Sito and co are in cahoots with the company