JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Albert]

Sito is your boy, Harry is ours. I really don't know what they're plan is or where this is going to go?

Depending on the final product I can (doubtful though) be enticed not to buy it.

Guess they are both our boys aren't they

 

[CremaDiLimone]

This list is just a merging of the TWU and IAM master seniority list. It has nothing to do with vacation bidding or how anything dealing with seniority is to be structured. Those issues will be dealt with during the JCBA negotiations. In the meantime, on the TWU side, we continue to accrue Company, Pay, and Occupational seniority.

There is no driver's seat when it comes to seniority integration talks.

c'mon, NYer..

you know i'm not mixing VC bidding and javits' lego creation. i'm asking why the twu - through the years, with it's anti-company seniority rule....allows the company's take on seniority to trump their take on a contractual issue, such as VC.

as far as being in the driver's seat. prior to any association forming, given the plurality of members/possibility of a winner-take-all election...i'd say the twu should have originally been in the driver's seat. not sure if even reaching out to the iam to discuss the possibility of an 'association' tipped little's hand of fearing an election, and the iam firmed up.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

I do realize that there are other reasons to getting a contract sooner before later, some being mentioned on this site. However, the rush many seem to be in to get a contract leads me to believe that things that should be in this contract may not be in the final. I just don't want to see what every other group has dealt with, buyers remorse.

P. Rez

i don't know you to gauge the tone..but, this doesn't come across as good at all. as if, you are already distancing yourself from the final product? i'm not saying you definitely are, that's just what it reads like.

as a laa fsc, i have been more than willing to give you guys the benefit of the doubt. i don't call you 'the ass', and i defend you guys in the face of laa c/cs who call you 'the ass', but don't realize you guys are fighting for them to sit in air conditioning and watch baseball all day, as laa c/cs, not lus leads, going forward.

you were selected for a reason. whether on merit or connections. this tells me you have some leeway to tell a sito/lombardo to bud out. it would be a PR disaster for them to start replacing negotiating team members at this stage.

i hope you guys hold firm.

 

[NYer]

c'mon, NYer..

you know i'm not mixing VC bidding and javits' lego creation. i'm asking why the twu - through the years, with it's anti-company seniority rule....allows the company's take on seniority to trump their take on a contractual issue, such as VC.

as far as being in the driver's seat. prior to any association forming, given the plurality of members/possibility of a winner-take-all election...i'd say the twu should have originally been in the driver's seat. not sure if even reaching out to the iam to discuss the possibility of an 'association' tipped little's hand of fearing an election, and the iam firmed up.

Being in the driver's seat is opposite of what the idea of an Association is supposed to be. Having a higher number of Members does not equate to winning or controlling anything, and it is a dangerous assumption that could have lead to a representational fight that could have squandered being able to gain the most we could.

Not sure about your point on the "company's take on seniority to trump their take on a contractual issue, such as VC." What do you mean?

 

[P. REZ]

i don't know you to gauge the tone..but, this doesn't come across as good at all. as if, you are already distancing yourself from the final product? i'm not saying you definitely are, that's just what it reads like.

as a laa fsc, i have been more than willing to give you guys the benefit of the doubt. i don't call you 'the ass', and i defend you guys in the face of laa c/cs who call you 'the ass', but don't realize you guys are fighting for them to sit in air conditioning and watch baseball all day, as laa c/cs, not lus leads, going forward.

you were selected for a reason. whether on merit or connections. this tells me you have some leeway to tell a sito/lombardo to bud out. it would be a PR disaster for them to start replacing negotiating team members at this stage.

i hope you guys hold firm.

I am not distancing myself from anything, I am telling people that I, as one person, would prefer to go the distance with this Company. That doesn't necessarily make me right either. I am just worried that we rush into something we later regret.

P. Rez

 

[Albert]

i don't know you to gauge the tone..but, this doesn't come across as good at all. as if, you are already distancing yourself from the final product? i'm not saying you definitely are, that's just what it reads like.

as a laa fsc, i have been more than willing to give you guys the benefit of the doubt. i don't call you 'the ass', and i defend you guys in the face of laa c/cs who call you 'the ass', but don't realize you guys are fighting for them to sit in air conditioning and watch baseball all day, as laa c/cs, not lus leads, going forward.

you were selected for a reason. whether on merit or connections. this tells me you have some leeway to tell a sito/lombardo to bud out. it would be a PR disaster for them to start replacing negotiating team members at this stage.

i hope you guys hold firm.

PRez was part of the negotiating team that got LUS a pretty good contract last time and from his past posts doesn't come off like he has a big ego so I give him the benefit of the doubt.To me it seems inevitable that Sito in his effort to "expedite"will give in on something that the negotiators weren't willing to, that's just common sense

 

[WeAAsles]

Hard for you to believe but I want whats best for the majority , Sure I feel for the 5% that commute but they chose to do so. In the early to mid 80s half of our station were commuters they would come here to get full time do you know how many times we let them catch early flights and such. I'm sure no one from LAA is jumping off a roof because LUS has 2 more holidays for now

But you're still opening up to what is the perspective of what's best for the majority?

The only way to really know that would be to see the outcome of the vote on the finished product really.

 

[Albert]

I am not distancing myself from anything, I am telling people that I, as one person, would prefer to go the distance with this Company. That doesn't necessarily make me right either. I am just worried that we rush into something we later regret.

P. Rez

The only way Sito should have intervened is if he felt you guys were at a stalemate.Even if this were the case he should have spoken to the negotiation team and suggested this or that.He should have never in my opinion disrespected the team like he did and come out with the bulletin

 

[CremaDiLimone]

I am not distancing myself from anything, I am telling people that I, as one person, would prefer to go the distance with this Company. That doesn't necessarily make me right either. I am just worried that we rush into something we later regret.

P. Rez

i understand and appreciate your response. again, i hope you guys have the confidence and conviction to hold firm.

 

[Albert]

But you're still opening up to what is the perspective of what's best for the majority?

The only way to really know that would be to see the outcome of the vote on the finished product really.

You have a negotiator on he practically telling you it's better run the course What more do you need? Common sense tells you there will be compromises made that the negotiators wouldn't go for

 

[CremaDiLimone]

PRez was part of the negotiating team that got LUS a pretty good contract last time and from his past posts doesn't come off like he has a big ego so I give him the benefit of the doubt.To me it seems inevitable that Sito in his effort to "expedite"will give in on something that the negotiators weren't willing to, that's just common sense

given that this contract scenario for laa is closest to 2001...we've had misery since the spring of 2003. maybe some fresh faces (from twu side) and different angles can get us an excellent contract.

what i read was unsettling, that was my take. let's hope wisdom rules out.

 

[WeAAsles]

You have a negotiator on he practically telling you it's better run the course What more do you need? Common sense tells you there will be compromises made that the negotiators wouldn't go for

Ok Al but in fairness to certain facts at the moment that negotiator is a representative of only one side and maybe only one side of that point of view. Perhaps the other side doesn't feel the same and either aren't here to express that or as a courtesy wouldn't want to get into any possible arguments?

The reality is we will never actually be one group until we pass that JCBA that we are ALL going to live under.

 

[Albert]

Ok Al but in fairness to certain facts at the moment that negotiator is a representative of only one side and maybe only one side of that point of view. Perhaps the other side doesn't feel the same and either aren't here to express that or as a courtesy wouldn't want to get into any possible arguments?

The reality is we will never actually be one group until we pass that JCBA that we are ALL going to live under.

 

[Albert]

That one side is our side, isn't it? This is, right now perhaps the best position in the last 30 years and going forward the union will be in as far as contract negotiations . Why not take advantage of it? Weez when you are in your stang and cruising the females you're going slow aren't you. If you go past them at 70mph you might miss that special one ,in your case it's the one not wearing adult pull-ups

 

[WeAAsles]

I am not distancing myself from anything, I am telling people that I, as one person, would prefer to go the distance with this Company. That doesn't necessarily make me right either. I am just worried that we rush into something we later regret.

P. Rez

What I would like to see is if that does happen you and all the other Negotiators will be free to express your displeasure at the items they had a hand in that you disagreed to? (If there are items) I've never understood why if it's respectful to the membership any officer necessarily can't be honest on his opinion of the finished product?

The membership as a whole has to be adult enough to make the ultimate decision or to pass it back into your hands anyway.

What I never want to see again is a repeat of that UAL agreement that had the color brochures and was giving the hard sell trying to make the fine print as small as possible.

To yours and others credit Rez you guys didn't do that to your members on your standalone agreement.