JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[AANOTOK]

Thanks. I don't now why I bother, other than I feel it's my money. Stock goes up, or way down, shouldn't matter. It's my understanding the shares were sold long ago.

You are correct. I think it was invested in the market, and the last I heard was there was approximately
$78 million in the pool. I also think we will be getting checks instead of stock when the case is settled.

 

[Albert]

30 flights a day as scope for a day is pretty much a deal-breaker for me. I could understand the company position if there were only a few flights spaced out throughout the day and the staffing required, but around 6-8 flights a day would appear reasonable to me. US contract has, I believe, 56 flights average per week (8 flights a day); however, some stations had a requirement of 90+ flights a week, which I think was unfair to treat stations differently and needless to say, those higher number stations were closed.

I believe our scope is 1 flight a day and AA's is 14 or so, Where are you getting 30 from? I don't know where Bob came up with this. He's a nice a guy but over the years as an electrician he has been electrocuted 12 time had 6 transformers fall on his head and has fallen off countless telephone polls and was even stuck on a high tension tower overnight. So at times I question his logic

 

[cltrat]

but I heard he could light a bulb in his mouth like Uncle Fester?

 

[robbedagain]

correct albert LUS is currently 1 a day 7 a week LAA 14 Itd sure be great to have 1 a day 7 a week maintain in new scope

 

[AANOTOK]

correct albert LUS is currently 1 a day 7 a week LAA 14 Itd sure be great to have 1 a day 7 a week maintain in new scope

The Company will continue to assign American Airlines TWU represented employees in classifications designated by the Company to all stations wherein such TWU represented employees are assigned currently with 5475 and above annual departures and will staff new cities (those not currently staffed by the TWU) at or above 7300 annual departures. The Company will also re-staff former TWU staffed cities that have been de-staffed once those cities reach 7300 and above annual departures.

I believe that is 15 departures, and if we lose a station and restaff it, it must be at 20 departures.

 

[bob@las-AA]

I'm working out of IAH and we have those numbers. They downgraded our mainline flights for the holiday season but it's about to pick up after the holidays. We've been hearing our station will reopen. They are spending a ton of money on upgrades and adding an admirals lounge. I guess time will tell soon.

If your IAH on the LUS side, don't plan on getting that new car just yet.

 

[bob@las-AA]

The Company will continue to assign American Airlines TWU represented employees in classifications designated by the Company to all stations wherein such TWU represented employees are assigned currently with 5475 and above annual departures and will staff new cities (those not currently staffed by the TWU) at or above 7300 annual departures. The Company will also re-staff former TWU staffed cities that have been de-staffed once those cities reach 7300 and above annual departures.

I believe that is 15 departures, and if we lose a station and restaff it, it must be at 20 departures.

Honestly, AA had 43 stations when I was hired, now we have 17. With the exception of PHX just this past year, how many stations have they reopened. ZERO, that language is meaningless!

 

[we're screwed]

You are correct. I think it was invested in the market, and the last I heard was there was approximately
$78 million in the pool. I also think we will be getting checks instead of stock when the case is settled.

I hope very much so that you are correct. However my gut tells me I will be force fed another shovel full of sh*t. I hope I just need to fart.

 

[robbedagain]

what about the LAA folks in the IAM represented station AANOTOK?

 

[Jester]

The number I've heard that is being bandied about is "30", and don't ask where I heard it. But it sounds believable to me.

I believe our scope is 1 flight a day and AA's is 14 or so, Where are you getting 30 from? I don't know where Bob came up with this. He's a nice a guy but over the years as an electrician he has been electrocuted 12 time had 6 transformers fall on his head and has fallen off countless telephone polls and was even stuck on a high tension tower overnight. So at times I question his logic

Albert,

I was quoting Traymark as to 30 average daily flights, but I also recall the JCBA between AW and US set the scope at 56 (?) flights per week, but there was a much higher number for some other stations. It certainly wasn't 1 flight per day as that's how stations like SNA were eliminated, although under the old AW contract it was 1 flight per day, but with starting wages of $7.50/hour and topping out at $14/hour it would be difficult to find cheaper labor even with a contractor. However, during the negotiations I know there was an agreement which prevents the contracting out of stations, but my concerns were directed as to the scope with the new JCBA being discussed.

 

[Colonel.Ramp]

If your IAH on the LUS side, don't plan on getting that new car just yet.

We are on the AA side. Before the bankruptcy it was a TWU station with US being separate with no IAM. Mechanics were present as well. It's one of the reasons TWU has stalled in representing us as Envoy. This next quarter will be interesting. I'll hold off on the car though.

 

[Albert]

Albert,

I was quoting Traymark as to 30 average daily flights, but I also recall the JCBA between AW and US set the scope at 56 (?) flights per week, but there was a much higher number for some other stations. It certainly wasn't 1 flight per day as that's how stations like SNA were eliminated, although under the old AW contract it was 1 flight per day, but with starting wages of $7.50/hour and topping out at $14/hour it would be difficult to find cheaper labor even with a contractor. However, during the negotiations I know there was an agreement which prevents the contracting out of stations, but my concerns were directed as to the scope with the new JCBA being discussed.

I'm to lazy to look at the contract , it might even be in an LOA in the back but I'm pretty sure it's one flight a day for us at US.I'm sure the 56 is the old agreement by the way 56 would me acceptable to me in an new contract

 

[Jester]

With 8 hubs (plus DCA), 8 daily mainline flights a day (56 weekly average) does not appear to be an unreasonable standard. Of course, I would like a scope of 1 flight a day, I don't think that's a reasonable expectation in the new JCBA.

 

[bob@las-AA]

what about the LAA folks in the IAM represented station AANOTOK?

My station LAS, that I transferred from just 28 months ago is in the midst of being eviscerated! Before I left we had 30 daily flights, now they transferred all the work to the US side with US planes back and forth to DFW. Now LAS AA side is down to 14 a day. folks with 30+ that were hired in LAS might have to move, and all are way too young to retire. Add the change to the CS, and it will be a sad story at that.

 

[bob@las-AA]

I believe our scope is 1 flight a day and AA's is 14 or so, Where are you getting 30 from? I don't know where Bob came up with this. He's a nice a guy but over the years as an electrician he has been electrocuted 12 time had 6 transformers fall on his head and has fallen off countless telephone polls and was even stuck on a high tension tower overnight. So at times I question his logic

No one got 30 from me!
AA scope
5475 / 365 = 15
7300 / 365 = 20
And yes, the wind gets real cold at night up in the towers! lol