JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

Why would anyone with seniority want rotating days off? I'm assuming WP (38 years) was being sarcastic.

Nope. It's something they've been doing there since I hired in back in 95. And longer than that even. People have made motions over the years to do away with it and the guys who wouldn't get weekends then pack the hall and vote it down.

Worldport is stuck with it but they do have a few jobs that don't rotate and he absolutely has the seniority to hold one of them. I think he has even more time then you AANOTOK.

 

[WeAAsles]

As sarcastic as a mother ---- what gets me it's only 2 cities that have them and certain jobs in those cities have fixed days off. Another kick in the a$$ is that at LGA LUS has more flights then LAA but by virtue of their business model are out numbered by over 50 bodies  so we are going to be TWU

WELCOME ABOARD MAN!!!!!!

 

[AANOTOK]

Nope. It's something they've been doing there since I hired in back in 95. And longer than that even. People have made motions over the years to do away with it and the guys who wouldn't get weekends then pack the hall and vote it down.

Worldport is stuck with it but they do have a few jobs that don't rotate and he absolutely has the seniority to hold one of them. I think he has even more time then you AANOTOK.

Yes he does...stay way from DFW, it sucks WP...

 

[WeAAsles]

Yes he does...stay way from DFW, it sucks WP...

I was trying to get the guy to move to Florida but he says he loves snow and ice and sliding all over the BQE. We just can't compete here with gloves and scarves and itchy dry skin I guess?

 

[AANOTOK]

I was trying to get the guy to move to Florida but he says he loves snow and ice and sliding all over the BQE. We just can't compete here with gloves and scarves and itchy dry skin I guess?

Does he even know what a chicken fried steak is? That alone should send you to Dallas.

 

[john john]

AA/US

US Agents were represented by the CWA/IBT. They brought in a good contract. But they got saddled with a huge new workforce that joined them that brought "NO" little scrap of paper whatsoever. And that's why in going back I've said before and I think why the Union folded like a house of cards in the end. AA had the ability to implement a Nuclear option on the PMAA side of the fence. (ouch)

CWA/IBT negotiated a concessionary contract for the LUS airport agents The company needed this contract to complete the merger CWA/IBT had major leverage at the barging table with the Passenger System cutover as well as having some of the best scope in the industry only to be giving away with a letter of agreement with out a vote from membership while still in negotiations moreover CWA/IBT was the only union on the property to be in section 6 direct negotiations under the RLA unlike the rest of the employees groups in joint contract negotiations
CWA represented Piedmont Express and now Envoy getting CWA representation as well with this representation CWA/IBT is allowing the company to whipsaw the union groups work allowing the mainline work to go to express taking away from mainline employees. CWA/IBT Gave up scope by allowing up to 5 mainline jets a day to be outsourced. Allowing a whole different work classification with lower pay to do Passenger Service Work. Allowing all baggage service to be outsourced. Allowing all wheelchairs and unaccompanied minors to be outsourced. Allowing all curbside to be outsourced. Allowing junior part-time employees to get fulltime jobs before senior full -timers. Leaving health care insurance cost at the company discretion. The company saw a hole and took advantage of it with home base reservations and office base reservations and LAA allowing the LUS airport agents contract to be Gutted of scope. The LUS airport agents were served up
The CWA/IBT leadership said this was the absolutely the best they could do. All airport CWA president east of the Mississippi were against this contract and were ignored

 

[ograc]

Why can you not weigh in on it now? You brought it up and we have readers who may want to understand what those differences are?

49 readers right now.

 
I would like other posters to provide the differences between the two. Then we may all better understand our collective position in negotiations. A more pertinent discussion. One that stays on subject. One that attracts the attention of members seeking pertinent information. I'm certain you understand the difference between Section 6 and JCBA talks. Let's shine some light on the issue.
 

 

[WeAAsles]

Does he even know what a chicken fried steak is? That alone should send you to Dallas.

Real Steak for me. Loved Saltgrass with that Shiner Bock Beer Bread. That's the only restaurant I actually miss from Texas. But I make up for it at Argentinian and Brazillian joints.

 

[WeAAsles]

CWA/IBT negotiated a concessionary contract for the LUS airport agents The company needed this contract to complete the merger CWA/IBT had major leverage at the barging table with the Passenger System cutover as well as having some of the best scope in the industry only to be giving away with a letter of agreement with out a vote from membership while still in negotiations moreover CWA/IBT was the only union on the property to be in section 6 direct negotiations under the RLA unlike the rest of the employees groups in joint contract negotiationsCWA represented Piedmont Express and now Envoy getting CWA representation as well with this representation CWA/IBT is allowing the company to whipsaw the union groups work allowing the mainline work to go to express taking away from mainline employees. CWA/IBT Gave up scope by allowing up to 5 mainline jets a day to be outsourced. Allowing a whole different work classification with lower pay to do Passenger Service Work. Allowing all baggage service to be outsourced. Allowing all wheelchairs and unaccompanied minors to be outsourced. Allowing all curbside to be outsourced. Allowing junior part-time employees to get fulltime jobs before senior full -timers. Leaving health care insurance cost at the company discretion. The company saw a hole and took advantage of it with home base reservations and office base reservations and LAA allowing the LUS airport agents contract to be Gutted of scope. The LUS airport agents were served upThe CWA/IBT leadership said this was the absolutely the best they could do. All airport CWA president east of the Mississippi were against this contract and were ignored

You are remembering that you had I think around 8000 CSA on the AA side who had ZERO protection right? The company probably threatened a nice nuclear option on their patooties and that's why your negotiators caved. I saw how Barbara was trying to fight like hell for the no vote.

Could they have called the company's (maybe) bluff? Sure. But what if they weren't bluffing? The AA agents by not being organized and riding the coat tails of the TWU ramp for so long is what did you all in for that agreement.

 

[WeAAsles]

I would like other posters to provide the differences between the two. Then we may all better understand our collective position in negotiations. A more pertinent discussion. One that stays on subject. One that attracts the attention of members seeking pertinent information. I'm certain you understand the difference between Section 6 and JCBA talks. Let's shine some light on the issue.

Section 6 is a joke. It's a process that has no teeth outside of the fact that Parker wanted to get in to these joint talks to gain synergies and honor the POR with the secured creditors when it came to giving you guys a deal.

Outside of that again Section 6 is a joke and we all know it. The NMB will never release us to strike because we're too big. If the company wants to they can stall your butt in that muck until you're using a cane.

It's a bit of an exhaustion actually pretending it isn't what it really is. A BIG JOKE!!!! The last legally sanctioned Major Airline strike happened how many years ago?

https://www.thestreet.com/story/12121297/1/us-airlines-are-too-big-to-strike-20-years-after-pre-thanksgiving-amr-shutdown.html

The floor is open for discussion. Next.

 

[ograc]

Section 6 is a joke. It's a process that has no teeth outside of the fact that Parker wanted to get in to these joint talks to gain synergies and honor the POR with the secured creditors when it came to giving you guys a deal.

Outside of that again Section 6 is a joke and we all know it. The NMB will never release us to strike because we're too big. If the company wants to they can stall your butt in that muck until you're using a cane.

It's a bit of an exhaustion actually pretending it isn't what it really is. A BIG JOKE!!!! The last legally sanctioned Major Airline strike happened how many years ago?

The floor is open for discussion. Next.

 
If, in your opinion, we have no leverage in Section 6 negotiations what kind of leverage do you think we have in JCBA talks? Section 6 negotiations do not usually commence until nearing or after amendable dates of  existing contracts correct? What are the amendable dates of both current contracts LUS and AA for Fleet represented by both the IAM and TWU respectively? Are JCBA talks then optional from the company's perspective? Are they legally bound to reach a JCBA at this time? The floor is open for discussion. 
 

 

[WeAAsles]

If, in your opinion, we have no leverage in Section 6 negotiations what kind of leverage do you think we have in JCBA talks? Section 6 negotiations do not usually commence until nearing or after amendable dates of  existing contracts correct? What are the amendable dates of both current contracts LUS and AA for Fleet represented by both the IAM and TWU respectively? Are JCBA talks then optional from the company's perspective? Are they legally bound to reach a JCBA at this time? The floor is open for discussion.

Cargo the floor is always open for discussion. We are discussing my friend. The leverage we have is that you cannot touch my airplane with an AA call sign on it until we agree on a contract with the airline that takes us from two unique and separate groups to one whole group. The leverage we have is in how much revenue the company is losing with each day that we aren't integrated and they can begin tailoring their operations to fully capitalize on the merger.

And our contracts end in 2018 but relax. We'll probably have a deal by either the end of the summer or October at the latest would be my guess? The company is not going to grab their ball and go home and neither one of the Unions are really going to be stupid enough to let them either.

 

[Black Magic]

I wouldn't be suprised if the company is waiting till after this Nov presidential election results to have a contract to vote on.

 

[WeAAsles]

I wouldn't be suprised if the company is waiting till after this Nov presidential election results to have a contract to vote on.

Why? How does that change anything?

 

[Black Magic]

Why? How does that change anything?

 
Health insurance for example.  Trump vows to rid of Obamacare, while Hilary intends to keep it.  It affects businesses bottom line in a big way.  Also how the company feels the economy will do under each candidate.  Businesses generally always loosen their belts with a Repub and tighten them up under a Dem candidate on issues of spending, hiring, ect.