JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Tim Nelson]

Go ahead. Hire lawyers who have ZERO clue about the ins and outs of our contract and see what they bring back.
They'll get you the money I'm sure. Probably not much else.
You think they'll understand the importance of CS's? Nope. Think they'll understand paid lunches and penalty hours? Nope.
Just two off the top of my head.

i guess you didnt read my post. We do need la professional negotiator. Jerry Glass is one of many professionals.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Thank you for the update Tim. Wikileaks in the room again.
Hey negotiators. Please listen to Tim. Even though he's never read my contract and gets his own and others wrong constantly. The man is a whip. Walking genius after he folds that laundry and sips some suds.

its true about the Profit Sharing. Our negotiators have failed us on this. They should have signed it instead of agreed to attach it to a jcba. Now go ahead with your personal shots towards everyone again.

As an aside, these 2 unions need to pick up the pace. You and others who want us to lockdown with hardline on minor issues may cost us a ta this year and the years later.
Should focus on 6 core issues and get it done.

regards,

 

[Worldport]

i guess you didnt read my post. We do need la professional negotiator. Jerry Glass is one of many professionals.

I would hope we do have a hired consultant and lawyers that's what we pay dues for.  A ramp agent can't do a better job then a professional  negotiator. It's like these guys who work here and think they can manage their retirements better than someone with a degree from Harvard business school. I laugh

 

[WeAAsles]

Weez   I checked it out how many 5 star restaurants have a salad bar? You and Bob can stick to your $9.95 all you can  eat prime rib places.I'll stick to the restaurants up here To be honest I heard their are some good steakhouses in TX and not the "Gas Monkey Grill" and BBQ I know nothing about but are cheaper cuts  which I don't care for

The dinner menu at this establishment is $40.00 not including drinks. And I think Mortons is overrated.

 

[WeAAsles]

i guess you didnt read my post. We do need la professional negotiator. Jerry Glass is one of many professionals.

No we don't and I would NEVER want one.

Even you "might" understand your contract better than any hired gun? Maybe?

 

[WeAAsles]

its true about the Profit Sharing. Our negotiators have failed us on this. They should have signed it instead of agreed to attach it to a jcba. Now go ahead with your personal shots towards everyone again.
As an aside, these 2 unions need to pick up the pace. You and others who want us to lockdown with hardline on minor issues may cost us a ta this year and the years later.
Should focus on 6 core issues and get it done.
regards,

"I" want us to lockdown with hardline on minor issues? LMAO. You're painting pictures there again chicken little.

And if they want to leave PS in the talks, so what. Are you expecting a PS payout next week?

I'm guessing you're thinking Boo Hoo. Daddy Parker might take my toy away from me?

Wah Wah.

 

[Worldport]

No we don't and I would NEVER want one.

Even you "might" understand your contract better than any hired gun? Maybe?

The expertise might be more in the actual negotiating strategy not the contract

 

[Worldport]

"I" want us to lockdown with hardline on minor issues? LMAO. You're painting pictures there again chicken little.

And if they want to leave PS in the talks, so what. Are you expecting a PS payout next week?

I'm guessing you're thinking Boo Hoo. Daddy Parker might take my toy away from me?

Wah Wah.

But Weez why make it an issue when it doesn't have to be,  they have their hands full now. Its like putting your anniversary pins in the contract

 

[WeAAsles]

I would hope we do have a hired consultant and lawyers that's what we pay dues for.  A ramp agent can't do a better job then a professional  negotiator. It's like these guys who work here and think they can manage their retirements better than someone with a degree from Harvard business school. I laugh

You're right. They must be horrible if so far they say they've gotten improvements on 17 out of 17.

Glass actually wanted us to take one contract or the other and said he'd just give us the $$Money$$

A Lawyer who has never lived either of our contracts would have jumped on that in a heartbeat.

Do you think Glass trying to throw the money at us so quick might have meant he knew something?

Pilots are complaining that they want to open their contract and the APFA is too. They're trying to get rid of the "Hard 40" that's coming up next year.

Do you know what the "Hard 40" is Worldport?

 

[WeAAsles]

The expertise might be more in the actual negotiating strategy not the contract

They already did that. And were also advised and are still being advised by Economists who are watching the Market situations out there.

Put it to you this way. They have far more resources at their disposal than the APA or APFA did. Far more.

 

[Worldport]

You're right. They must be horrible if so far they say they've gotten improvements on 17 out of 17.

Glass actually wanted us to take one contract or the other and said he'd just give us the $$Money$$

A Lawyer who has never lived either of our contracts would have jumped on that in a heartbeat.

Do you think Glass trying to throw the money at us so quick might have meant he knew something?

Pilots are complaining that they want to open their contract and the APFA is too. They're trying to get rid of the "Hard 40" that's coming up next year.

Do you know what the "Hard 40" is Worldport?

Not particularly interested but I would imagine it has to do with the hours they fly. If they aren't happy with their contract I would recommend a professional negotiator on their next talks. Weez I'm sucking down 64s now you know

 

[WeAAsles]

But Weez why make it an issue when it doesn't have to be,  they have their hands full now. Its like putting your anniversary pins in the contract

Again you'd have to ask the Negotiators, and their Lawyers what the strategy is. I really don't know and don't want to know. And if we did know what the strategy was it would be incredibly stupid of us to post it on a public forum that 100% absolutely the company reads.

Jerry Glass actually has an alias on here. Seriously.

 

[Kev3188]

Health care is going to be a factor whomever the President is going to be. Even if you get rid of the ACA in it's entirety, costs will continue to rise even further. At least they are somewhat stable at the moment. But insurance companies are still getting theirs in one form or another.
 
It is not going to get lower any time soon, IMHO. So the only thing you can do is try to negotiate some sort of lower costs in any contract. (In my own case, my medical went up - due to me getting a higher cost comprehensive plan - but the District negotiated a better dental plan, in which my dental went down, ironically) And the ACA doesn't affect a lot of us anyway (because most of us make way above the thresholds), unless you don't have some sort of "bridge" until you are eligible for Medicare. But the costs (of health care) to businesses is a major concern to them.  And to Unions as well.  
 
Is "single payer" the answer........?

Yes.

 

[700UW]

I would hope we do have a hired consultant and lawyers that's what we pay dues for.  A ramp agent can't do a better job then a professional  negotiator. It's like these guys who work here and think they can manage their retirements better than someone with a degree from Harvard business school. I laugh

Guess you never met Tom Regan.

 

[WeAAsles]

Not particularly interested but I would imagine it has to do with the hours they fly. If they aren't happy with their contract I would recommend a professional negotiator on their next talks. Weez I'm sucking down 64s now you know

Yep. Starting next year every FA has to fly a minimum of 40 hours per month to qualify for subsidized medical benefits.

The company dumped that deal for them once and they said no deal. If Parker dumps it again then I just have to start thinking he's a fool. And I don't think Parker is a fool.