JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Ramp Rogue]

Tower is part of fleet  service same as catering and airfreight

 
I think you understand my point. Tower was just let into the iam. Their seniority date should be the first day that they worked in a tower position as an iam member. They should not receive all of the previous time that they spent working in the tower as a non union member. That would put them ahead of a lot of iam members undeservedly.
 
Rogue…..

 

[Worldport]

 
I think you understand my point. Tower was just let into the iam. Their seniority date should be the first day that they worked in a tower position as an iam member. They should not receive all of the previous time that they spent working in the tower as a non union member. That would put them ahead of a lot of iam members undeservedly.
 
Rogue…..

I don't agree ,it's a merger they should bring their time with them.Of course that ends with the existing tower people. I'm  IAM fleet service at LGA we are going to be TWU should we all go to the bottom?

 

[Ramp Rogue]

I don't agree ,it's a merger they should bring their time with them.Of course that ends with the existing tower people. I'm  IAM fleet service at LGA we are going to be TWU should we all go to the bottom?

 
No you shouldn't. The first day that you worked on the ramp, is the date that you should have for seniority for bidding on the ramp. Your DOH on the ramp.
 
Rogue…..

 

[Worldport]

 
No you shouldn't. The first day that you worked on the ramp, is the date that you should have for seniority for bidding on the ramp. Your DOH on the ramp.
 
Rogue…..

So why wouldn't the LAA tower people get their time? It's a merger

 

[Ramp Rogue]

So why wouldn't the LAA tower people get their time? It's a merger

 
Because when you join the iam from a non union classification you start with day one seniority.
 
Rogue…..

 

[Tim Nelson]

I think you understand my point. Tower was just let into the iam. Their seniority date should be the first day that they worked in a tower position as an iam member. They should not receive all of the previous time that they spent working in the tower as a non union member. That would put them ahead of a lot of iam members undeservedly.
 
Rogue…..

Many of those tower peeps havent even been in fleet service, while others have been in management....but me thinks the iam will agree with management to give them full blown doh and will blow by several of you on the system seniority.

 

[charlie Brown]

Because when you join the iam from a non union classification you start with day one seniority.
 
Rogue…..

Roque
Just wondering if you can name me a work group that has been non union that ever came into the IAM and started with day one seniority?

 

[AANOTOK]

I know it's a for the IAM, but to add to the mess, the example I describe earlier, the catering folks we absorbed in fleet were non union I do believe and they kept company seniority for vacation and the day they started fleet they became a union member and classification seniority started to accrue. Could this be a disagreement among the Association?

 

[charlie Brown]

I know it's a for the IAM, but to add to the mess, the example I describe earlier, the catering folks we absorbed in fleet were non union I do believe and they kept company seniority for vacation and the day they started fleet they became a union member and classification seniority started to accrue. Could this be a disagreement among the Association?

Not sure what catering group you are referring to. Catering at LUS and the IAM came into the union at the same time as fleet. They j e always been part of fleet.

 

[charlie Brown]

I asked Rogue the question, because I have argued all the points that you guys are posting about on here. I have been told by the IAM that they are treating the AA tower planners and load planners the same way they have treated all work groups that were non union and came into the IAM. And that's simply by adopting the seniority that the company has given them. If Rogue or anyone else knows of a group that they have done different, then I would like to know. I thought maybe he knew since his post stated what it did.

 

[robbedagain]

the furloughed AA agents who came back   continue to bid under many of us   but i know the ones in my city are angry because they feel they got jolted   Im figuring that when there is a JCBA then they would get their time back or corrected    Agree???

 

[AANOTOK]

Not sure what catering group you are referring to. Catering at LUS and the IAM came into the union at the same time as fleet. They j e always been part of fleet.

I stated in an earlier comment CB that AA once owned our catering company. When they outsourced it those folks were allowed to go to other work groups retaining their AA seniority and their new classification seniority for bidding purposes was day one of their new jobs. So I have fleet who bid vacation before me but everything else after me. I do realize this is a little different scenario.

 

[charlie Brown]

the furloughed AA agents who came back   continue to bid under many of us   but i know the ones in my city are angry because they feel they got jolted   Im figuring that when there is a JCBA then they would get their time back or corrected    Agree???

Robbed
Once a JCBA is reached all the preferential hires will receive their seniority. Until that time, they get it only for pay purposes.

 

[charlie Brown]

I stated in an earlier comment CB that AA once owned our catering company. When they outsourced it those folks were allowed to go to other work groups retaining their AA seniority and their new classification seniority for bidding purposes was day one of there new jobs. So I have fleet who bid vacation before me but everything else after me. I do realize this is a little different scenario.

Oh ok, understand now. But that wasn't with the IAM correct? I know several instances where it has happened with the TWU. But I don't know of any, that it has happened with the IAM.

 

[AANOTOK]

Oh ok, understand now. But that wasn't with the IAM correct? I know several instances where it has happened with the TWU. But I don't know of any, that it has happened with the IAM.

That is why I asked if this could possibly be why a mediator or arbitrator was brought in to consult.
Will AA planners be merged seniority wise or under LUS planners??
 
But yes, I'm speaking TWU.