JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

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robbedagain said:
I believe DOH is truly the fairest way    The classification date can really can be messy     I say this bec for one example we have 2 agents   one has higher seniority but bids under the other guy  all due to his classification   he was PT at PI before they upgraded him to FT  and then the merger    if this were DOH  this agent would bid in his right spot   
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My example: Our catering service was once owned by AA. When they outsourced it those employees had the opportunity to join other work groups within AA. I'm sure there are others, but I now work with a lady who worked in catering before I hired on in '83 and transferred into fleet after my hire. She now bids vacation before I do but I bid job, day off and hours before her. So robbed, you think she should bid in the work group before me. Sorry, totally disagree.
Same as our building cleaners, once outsourced they hired in into other work groups and the same scenario plays out, as it should in my opinion.
Those were obviously forced transfers. Let me ask you this, we have fleet who after 10-15 years goes to school and becomes a mechanic. You think he should bump a 14 year mechanic??
 
DOH for Vacation...Classification for in work group bid.
 
Robbed--DOH can cause short term heartburn, but seems to work best in the long run...

AANOTOK-- Not for nothing, but at DL, someone moving from the ramp to maintenance keeps (I think??) something
Like half their time- it's not a perfefy lateral move, seniority-wise...
 
Kev3188 said:
Robbed--DOH can cause short term heartburn, but seems to work best in the long run...

AANOTOK-- Not for nothing, but at DL, someone moving from the ramp to maintenance keeps (I think??) something
Like half their time- it's not a perfefy lateral move, seniority-wise...
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The scenario I described is how it  has always been done at AA (TWU) ever since I have been there without any issues or complaints that I'm aware of. Not even any "heartburn".
 
I understand we are merging two contracts and someones not gonna be happy. But you now know what my vote is.
 
I hear ya. I had classification seniority at NW and liked it. Had DOH forced on us after losing representation, and found that it's not bad, either. It's a pretty decent equalizer, and doesn't leave a lot of gray area.They also got rid of any "bad time" anyone may have had (furloughs, leaves, etc.), so it really is straight up DOH here now...
 
Hey has anyone heard about mechanics coming back to IAH? They told some of us today that 45-50 mechanics are coming back. Supposedly TWU and CWA guys told us no stations would reopen
 
charlie Brown said:
With the interim agreement, all AA tower planners as well as load planners were acreeted into the current IAM contract. They have a full grievance procedure under the IAM contract meaning they are represented currently by the IAM. You will IMO see some of these tower positions switched over to TWU once the jcba is reached. Don't know which ones or how many. Just my opinion. But the IAM was the only one that could argue to the NMB that those were union positions, since they were and have been non union positions with AA.
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Excellent post.
 
Ramp Rogue said:
Once again, what explanation do you have for stating that it won't change? What is the reason?
 
Rogue..
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Rogue,

Seniority is and has always been a hot topic. As a Union rep I have always stated that my opinion is the person that has been there the longest is the most senior. I was on the NC for the first contract at America West and we had a seniority issue that I was unsuccessful in correcting because the company didn't want to change and the committee voted to move on. Part of the problem when it comes to seniority issues is that no one person agrees to how it should be applied for various scenarios. When AW merged with US, I learned about the seniority issues at US. AA also has their issues with seniority from the TWA merger, the outsourcing of certain work, etc.

To sum up seniority, ratification after ratification of contracts on the AW, US and AA properties had language that stated past seniority practices will remain in place. You can't unscramble the egg. To put another way, we collectively have agreed to the current way of how seniority is and was applied to all of us over the years.

P. Rez
 
AANOTOK said:
My example: Our catering service was once owned by AA. When they outsourced it those employees had the opportunity to join other work groups within AA. I'm sure there are others, but I now work with a lady who worked in catering before I hired on in '83 and transferred into fleet after my hire. She now bids vacation before I do but I bid job, day off and hours before her. So robbed, you think she should bid in the work group before me. Sorry, totally disagree.
Same as our building cleaners, once outsourced they hired in into other work groups and the same scenario plays out, as it should in my opinion.
Those were obviously forced transfers. Let me ask you this, we have fleet who after 10-15 years goes to school and becomes a mechanic. You think he should bump a 14 year mechanic??
 
DOH for Vacation...Classification for in work group bid.
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AANOTOK we have the same system if someone from stores or ticket counter had 20 years and came to  Fleet service  they would have day one seniority but bid their vacation as a 20 year employee . The woman you speak of would keep her catering seniority for vacation only. I think when people say DOH they mean within that classification. (fleet service and lead fleet service same classification))
 
Worldport said:
AANOTOK we have the same system if someone from stores or ticket counter had 20 years and came to  Fleet service  they would have day one seniority but bid their vacation as a 20 year employee . The woman you speak of would keep her catering seniority for vacation only. I think when people say DOH they mean within that classification. (fleet service and lead fleet service same classification))
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Wouldn't that be called "Company Seniority" in that instance?  I always thought that Company Seniority - the day you first arrived on property in whatever capacity - was for Boarding; Vacations; and furloughs. Then you had job classification seniority, whereas you came from another department, but you went down in seniority when you transferred into that work group (ie: Pax Service to Ramp or Catering to Ramp). Then of course you have Lead (or CC in your case) seniority as well.  I know people that have 3 Seniority Dates, and it it crazy.  And you can't forget the adjustments in one's seniority date as well. That has to take in account as well. People will definitely argue their dates if they feel the initial list is incorrect. That's why we had the arbitrator involved.  
 
Good luck with this.......... 
 
T5towbar said:
Wouldn't that be called "Company Seniority" in that instance?  I always thought that Company Seniority - the day you first arrived on property in whatever capacity - was for Boarding; Vacations; and furloughs. Then you had job classification seniority, whereas you came from another department, but you went down in seniority when you transferred into that work group (ie: Pax Service to Ramp or Catering to Ramp). Then of course you have Lead (or CC in your case) seniority as well.  I know people that have 3 Seniority Dates, and it it crazy.  And you can't forget the adjustments in one's seniority date as well. That has to take in account as well. People will definitely argue their dates if they feel the initial list is incorrect. That's why we had the arbitrator involved.  
 
Good luck with this.......... 
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At the risk of a firestorm here, I can happily tell you that boarding by seniority is not the rule here at AA...
 
Worldport said:
AANOTOK we have the same system if someone from stores or ticket counter had 20 years and came to  Fleet service  they would have day one seniority but bid their vacation as a 20 year employee . The woman you speak of would keep her catering seniority for vacation only. I think when people say DOH they mean within that classification. (fleet service and lead fleet service same classification))
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I didn't get that from some of the comments, but I have been wrong many many times.
 
AANOTOK said:
I didn't get that from some of the comments, but I have been wrong many many times.
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What you were reading probably had to do with people being part time and then going to full time  and  getting an adjustment date. It is really a sore spot here maybe Tim could explain it. I don't have an adjusted date so I'm really not to sure how it works
 
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