JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

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charlie Brown said:
Understand its effective today. Just on LUS we have language that says all pay raises start the first Monday of the first full pay period after the effective date. That would be the 15 th for the LUS.
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Once again... The lump sum timeline doesn't seem to be accurate.
 
NYer, you say today. So, today I will start earning $5.78 an hour toward my lump sum. When do you say the lump sum accrual ends. I'm assuming that's the timeline as you see it.
 
AANOTOK said:
NYer, you say today. So, today I will start earning $5.78 an hour toward my lump sum. When do you say the lump sum accrual ends. I'm assuming that's the timeline as you see it.
Referring to the timeline of when the lump sum will be paid out.

The accrual for the lump sum will be from the effective date to the date when the pay rates will be reflected on your pay stub. (target date being sometime in November)
 
AANOTOK said:
NYer, you say today. So, today I will start earning $5.78 an hour toward my lump sum. When do you say the lump sum accrual ends. I'm assuming that's the timeline as you see it.

If I'm correct it's actually $6.08 per hour. The company improved on the upcoming UAL rate by 1%.
 
Referring to the timeline of when the lump sum will be paid out.

The accrual for the lump sum will be from the effective date to the date when the pay rates will be reflected on your pay stub. (target date being sometime in November)
NYer, so if I work overtime tomorrow at my double time rate, I'm going to be making $60.34 and the difference will be squared up in November? I hear ya bro, I was told the new raise was effective on Monday but this is even better!
 
FWIW: is there anyone who disapproves of this wage re-opener? I realize we haven't actually seen it but my source said there is nothing secret and it's basically what you see is what you get. I run a FB group that now has 3,100+ members from the Association in there and it appears that there are some who have been so burnt that they don't trust anything and expect another agreement to come out with concessions. I honestly don't see any reason why anyone would complain about this one except maybe from a TWU perspective the cross utilization may have made some upset. But from a LUS perspective, we basically already had that so, if anything, we may gain work as we can now do TWU work. Not sure how the tower will shake out. We have ops peeps here and I'd hate for them to lose their work by having the new tower members just take it over. But imo this is really a win win for the members and management and quite a surprise. Cripes, my first IAM sorta TA that I can say "I support 100%". It is good for our members.
 
WeAAsles said:
If I'm correct it's actually $6.08 per hour. The company improved on the upcoming UAL rate by 1%.
So if it's true we will make $30.17 an hour when all is said and done, then you are losing the .30 longevity pay $24.09 + $6.08 = 30.17
W/longevity $24.39 + $5.78 = 30.17
Or with longevity. $24.39 + $6.08 = $30.47 is the new rate.
 
an interesting video by MX negotiator Gary Peterson who seems to do informative videos, albeit seemingly rogue. The original information I got and posted indicated that we would be receiving a deposit for the first 90 days, sometime in the next couple weeks. Some negotiators on our side, at least in PHL, have said that the first deposited check for bridging pay won't be until November, then another one in January for any cleanup. I think Gary is correct and he has always seemed to be on top of things but, at any rate, I'm guessing the term sheet will be out soon and confirm or refute any undocumented speculation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2eRSFK2av0
 
If we are at $30.17 in the end at what you say is correct W, the only time you really get paid the $6.08 is for Lump Sum purposes. They took .30 away yet gave you $6.08 so in reality you are only getting paid for a raise of $5.78. If that is the case, that would be old "bait and switch" tactic.
Do I have everyone confused now.
 
Tim, where am I wrong here?
I was told today first deposit in 21 days.
 
Tim, where am I wrong here?
I was told today first deposit in 21 days.
I don't think that is wrong. I think what is inaccurate is that the PHL reps have told their peeps that they won't get any bridge payment until at least November, then January. Hopefully, the term sheet is out soon. I like the company's version that this pay rate is effective immediately. lol
 
No, I'm talking my two comments above that. Raise and longevity.
 
No, I'm talking my two comments above that. Raise and longevity.
Your longevity was based on a true up and that brought you up to your current scale. The United +1% is also based on that. I know LAA will be at $30.17 but I didn't think to ask if that included the longevity. Better to have $30.17 and lose longevity as opposed to $20.90 something and .30 longevity, right?
 
Tim Nelson said:
Your longevity was based on a true up and that brought you up to your current scale. The United +1% is also based on that. I know LAA will be at $30.17 but I didn't think to ask if that included the longevity. Better to have $30.17 and lose longevity as opposed to $20.90 something and .30 longevity, right?
For sure!
 
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