JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Worldport]

Never once have I said that. But why do you need me to repeat it?

Your latest posts seem to blame the company only. I have a new twist I don't think its the negotiators there hands are tied so to speak. It is the  the Association infighting and the union leadership screwing this up . That's my opinion

 

[Worldport]

He has no plan except to hope we will agree to his concessionary offers. What other "plans" do you think he could have?

It's not rocket scientist stuff just to give us a raise.

Again just pure BS.

Your opinion, how do you know the union isn't spewing their own B/S. I'll wait to hear what wikileaks has to offer. Weez what are you going to say if the IAMPF is attached to our contract ? It could happen, no union head is saying otherwise.To me the union not giving a definitive answer is B/S

 

[WeAAsles]

Your latest posts seem to blame the company only. I have a new twist I don't think its the negotiators there hands are tied so to speak. It is the  the Association infighting and the union leadership screwing this up . That's my opinion

Your opinion is wrong. If there are/were/is any leadership squabbles they would be/are separate from what our negotiators are working on.

Tim seems to have sold you/convinced you of this "infighting" word. Again as I posted the other day. If someone says something enough times people will start to believe it.

It's called propaganda.

 

[WeAAsles]

Your opinion, how do you know the union isn't spewing their own B/S. I'll wait to hear what wikileaks has to offer. Weez what are you going to say if the IAMPF is attached to our contract ? It could happen, no union head is saying otherwise.To me the union not giving a definitive answer is B/S

If people consistently asked questions over and over and our negotiators were forced to respond (some of those questions already answered) then we'll never get a TA because they would wind up spending more time chasing the tail, then doing and getting work done.

 

[AANOTOK]

Your opinion is wrong. If there are/were/is any leadership squabbles they would be/are separate from what our negotiators are working on.

Tim seems to have sold you/convinced you of this "infighting" word. Again as I posted the other day. If someone says something enough times people will start to believe it.

It's called propaganda.

To think that is not a possibility is being extremely naive. Especially knowing that Lombardo has not been a fan of the Association from day one AND the fact that he sent out a unite negotiating memo strictly speaking to and about the TWU. It was not a joint Sito/Lombardo, TWU/IAM Association memo. Sorry W, but it's possible that it exists and just as possible it is affecting negotiations.

 

[WeAAsles]

To think that is not a possibility is being extremely naive. Especially knowing that Lombardo has not been a fan of the Association from day one AND the fact that he sent out a unite negotiating memo strictly speaking to and about the TWU. It was not a joint Sito/Lombardo, TWU/IAM Association memo. Sorry W, but it's possible that it exists and just as possible it is affecting negotiations.

Perhaps? Perhaps since the TWU has taken over or is set to take over the Association chair they want to take a different approach with the company? Perhaps the IAM doesn't feel comfortable quite yet with that approach?

Or perhaps it's simply that the TWU wants to start galvanizing and unifying their members? If that's the case wouldn't you say that it's long overdue?

But I believe our negotiators when they say that what is affecting negotiations is the company continuing to offer concessions. I have no reason to believe otherwise.

 

[AANOTOK]

But let me say this, I'm not saying that's the case, and I do know AA is offering sub par proposals. I'm behind the Association 100% sticking to their guns for however long it takes if AA is treating us less than other work groups and offering one concession. Billions in profits and the man (Parker) wants to keep us down while pocketing his millions.

 

[Worldport]

Your opinion is wrong. If there are/were/is any leadership squabbles they would be/are separate from what our negotiators are working on.

Tim seems to have sold you/convinced you of this "infighting" word. Again as I posted the other day. If someone says something enough times people will start to believe it.

It's called propaganda.

No Weez  the fact that they had to hire a arbitrator tells me there is infighting, you would have to be blind  or totally brainwashed not to see it.  Tim does have valuable information also  his share of B/S. What makes you so sure the Parker plan is B/S 

 

[WeAAsles]

But let me say this, I'm not saying that's the case, and I do know AA is offering sub par proposals. I'm behind the Association 100% sticking to their guns for however long it takes if AA is treating us less than other work groups and offering one concession. Billions in profits and the man (Parker) wants to keep us down while pocketing his millions.

I edited my last comment as you were writing yours.

 

[AANOTOK]

Perhaps? Perhaps since the TWU has taken over or is set to take over the Association chair they want to take a different approach with the company? Perhaps the IAM doesn't feel comfortable quite yet with that approach?

Or perhaps it's simply that the TWU wants to start galvanizing and unifying their members? If that's the case wouldn't you say that it's long overdue?

But I believe our negotiators when they say that what is affecting negotiations is the company continuing to offer concessions. I have no reason to believe otherwise.

I won't deny any of that. Until I know something as fact, anything can be possible. One thing I do know as fact, AA is offering some concessionary crap in some articles.

 

[bob@las-AA]

https://youtu.be/ScUNvDSEEKA

 

[WeAAsles]

No Weez  the fact that they had to hire a arbitrator tells me there is infighting, you would have to be blind  or totally brainwashed not to see it.  Tim does have valuable information also  his share of B/S. What makes you so sure the Parker plan is B/S

The problems with seniority integration are just as Charlie Brown stated. Mainly in maintenance. They have far more differences and complexities than our group in fleet.

I'm sure those people wouldn't have been able to agree to accepting either sides way of doing things, so much much smarter to let a neutral Arbitrator decide those issues. No one wanted to do the coin flip and that would have been the only other way to solve the problems.

 

[Worldport]

I won't deny any of that. Until I know something as fact, anything can be possible. One thing I do know as fact, AA is offering some concessionary crap in some articles.

I don't know how the LAA bankruptcy contract could be any worse what could they possibly be asking for. if they wanted to get rid of Airfreight they would have done it in bankruptcy

 

[WeAAsles]

I won't deny any of that. Until I know something as fact, anything can be possible. One thing I do know as fact, AA is offering some concessionary crap in some articles.

We're not going to know all things as fact unless we were actually in the room when any ideas are thought up.

Unfortunately for some that just means you have to place your faith in who you think is reputable and not reputable?

Our choice.

 

[WeAAsles]

I don't know how the LAA bankruptcy contract could be any worse what could they possibly be asking for. if they wanted to get rid of Airfreight they would have done it in bankruptcy

Read the two contracts side by side and you decide. As for me I remember what we used to have and want as much of that back as possible.

Remember Worldport I was in the company before we started the concession gravy train in 03. We had A LOT of great items back then.