JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

WeAA  I do believe the Association should be calling out DP and his b.s. crap more loudly than what has been said etc   If DP truly wishes we had deals...then why does he have to argue every lit item    if he truly wants it then give us the membership the absolute best flippin deal now   enhanced scope   best wages  no outsourcing..  🙂

I think they should be calling out Parker and his negotiating team more loudly as well. I'd like to think what we just got last week is only the first taste of that salvo?

 

[Worldport]

BTW our negotiators are meeting with the company for the next two weeks, then have a week off and then will be meeting with the company for two more scheduled weeks.

Unless you believe the company mouth over your own negotiators there is no "stall" in talks. As has been conveyed the company has been offering lately the worst language of our two bankruptcy agreements and wants us to accept that. Our negotiators have also stated that they will NOT accept those languages with a company that made 7.2 Billion in profit last year and stand to make substantial profits this year as well.

The only way anyone can consider our negotiators to be "stalling" would be if they thought our guys should accept that horrible language and move on to get us to the quick money, (wages)

Taking the worst language between the two agreements on the Articles that are left would have profound effects on both sides when we are fully integrated. (They would be concessions) And those would be conditions we would be forced to live under for at least the next 5 years and probably longer with the way negotiations work, especially if the company has an agreement they feel benefits them and doesn't want to change.

Weez I listen to both sides and still think this association has been a cluster___. Are you saying the association is without fault?

 

[Worldport]

Anyone know what Bob's having for breakfast this morning?

Surprised  he went with EB and not the store brand.  The rest of the week he eats Fruit Loops he likes to drink the sugary milk at the end

 

[bob@las-AA]

Surprised  he went with EB and not the store brand.  The rest of the week he eats Fruit Loops he likes to drink the sugary milk at the end

LOL

 

[Tim Nelson]

You have the ability to read the agreement for yourself.http://american-agents.org/news/cwa-ibt-association-of-passenger-service-employees-at-american-airlines-tentative-agreement/
As I understood it at the time it was being sold there is a no furlough agreement. But that's a misnomer because it's not a no displacement agreement. Meaning if there is an overage in a city you will receive a layoff notice (Warn act) You will then have the ability to transfer in this system where there is a need for you to work. The agreement guarantees you a job in the system at your current rate of pay if you want to move.
The problem will be that many will chose not to move and then will "willingly" accept bumping down into the lower CARS classification or accept layoff (again now voluntarily) to not have to move away from the care of their families. Particularly I can see this scenario play out with Mothers with children.
You've been trying to (sell) on this thread that the CWA/IBT agreement is/was spectacular and now a reputable poster has come on here to tell you that you are in error.

You are good at quote mining. Never did i say it was spectacular. What i said was that it increased scope, and by alot, since it incorporated scope for all stations at another airline that was even 70% larger than lus. The latest sidebars between company, twu and iam would have our group at 15 flights but a bar on new stations. Our negotiation committee isnt even aware of this yet.

The no layoff doesnt prevent layoffs. What it does is offer a right to full time. Doesnt replace scope because scope is the true job protector. That said, at united, you need 17 years to be protected, never mind half of res is contracted out overseas and only 28 stations are under scope.

Complain all day about the cwa but when you open up your eyes and use your own station as witness, you would conclude that the cwa did alot better than the iam since mia has NO united employees.

 

[bob@las-AA]

https://youtu.be/FZ3G_63Kkms

 

[Worldport]

You are good at quote mining. Never did i say it was spectacular. What i said was that it increased scope, and by alot, since it incorporated scope for all stations at another airline that was even 70% larger than lus. The latest sidebars between company, twu and iam would have our group at 15 flights but a bar on new stations. Our negotiation committee isnt even aware of this yet.

The no layoff doesnt prevent layoffs. What it does is offer a right to full time. Doesnt replace scope because scope is the true job protector. That said, at united, you need 17 years to be protected, never mind half of res is contracted out overseas and only 28 stations are under scope.

Complain all day about the cwa but when you open up your eyes and use your own station as witness, you would conclude that the cwa did alot better than the iam since mia has NO united employees.

Tim did your little fly on the wall tell you what Parkers "other plan" to get us the money is. I'm sure the union will keep us in the dark

 

[Worldport]

LOL

Be honest Bob they were out of the store brand weren't they. What supermarket chains do they have in TX. I doubt you would go anywhere near Wholefoods

 

[Kev3188]

I think they should be calling out Parker and his negotiating team more loudly as well. I'd like to think what we just got last week is only the first taste of that salvo?

If this is the "first taste," they're even later to the party than I thought...

 

[WeAAsles]

Weez I listen to both sides and still think this association has been a cluster___. Are you saying the association is without fault?

Never once have I said that. But why do you need me to repeat it?

 

[bob@las-AA]

Be honest Bob they were out of the store brand weren't they. What supermarket chains do they have in TX. I doubt you would go anywhere near Wholefoods

 
Tom Thumb, its across the street from my place, ya its a little spendy but it reminds me of the grocery store from back home in NY, it was called Wegman's. it blows the door off of wholefoods or any other so called high-end markets. And I do like EB, I could pay less but the EB tastes really good.

 

[WeAAsles]

You are good at quote mining. Never did i say it was spectacular. What i said was that it increased scope, and by alot, since it incorporated scope for all stations at another airline that was even 70% larger than lus. The latest sidebars between company, twu and iam would have our group at 15 flights but a bar on new stations. Our negotiation committee isnt even aware of this yet.
The no layoff doesnt prevent layoffs. What it does is offer a right to full time. Doesnt replace scope because scope is the true job protector. That said, at united, you need 17 years to be protected, never mind half of res is contracted out overseas and only 28 stations are under scope.
Complain all day about the cwa but when you open up your eyes and use your own station as witness, you would conclude that the cwa did alot better than the iam since mia has NO united employees.

That 15 flight per day mantra you're throwing out there is pure BS. You can throw it out there as often as you like and I'll swat it back at you each time.

Pure made up BS.

 

[WeAAsles]

If this is the "first taste," they're even later to the party than I thought...

And so states the gentleman who has no Union and no say since he doesn't work for American Airlines but instead works for a company that can do anything they want to him anytime they want to.

Again go pee on your own bushes and hope something grows out of it.

 

[AANOTOK]

 
Tom Thumb, its across the street from my place, ya its a little spendy but it reminds me of the grocery store from back home in NY, it was called Wegman's. it blows the door off of wholefoods or any other so called high-end markets. And I do like EB, I could pay less but the EB tastes really good.

I left Tom Thumb (Tom Thumb Page back then) after three years to go to work for AA. Went from $9.37 an hour to B scale $8.00.
I'm personally a Central Market guy...

 

[WeAAsles]

Tim did your little fly on the wall tell you what Parkers "other plan" to get us the money is. I'm sure the union will keep us in the dark

He has no plan except to hope we will agree to his concessionary offers. What other "plans" do you think he could have?

It's not rocket scientist stuff just to give us a raise.

Again just pure BS.