JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Tim Nelson]

He has no plan except to hope we will agree to his concessionary offers. What other "plans" do you think he could have?
It's not rocket scientist stuff just to give us a raise.
Again just pure BS.

You were the strongest advocate for preaching "the best of both". What Parker has thus far offered exceeds your concessionary stance. Prez said that he was 20 out of 20 enhancing both contracts thus far. The 6 holidays that Parker offered is very very close to what you want, ie, 7.

Your weak and feeble "best of both" approach.

The best of both guarantees us to be industry worst for 5 more years.

That said, the last sidebar makes it very clear that our scope will be 105 flights a week provided status quo on new stations. This information has not been received by the negotiation committee yet. And they are stalling on the iam side. The nc doesnt have a clue though about this. It is far above them and is due to the iam intl election and nominations. Sito will stall this contract more until it is politically expedient for him to get a ta.

I am not sharing my opinion on the tentative scope limit or any of the other ta talk but the contract will pass by 95% no matter what i think.

Now the good news. We will get 10 holidays etc and money that you desire. Anyone who is all about paid days off and money will be happy. Bad news is that those peeps will have to wait for the political winds to resolve.

Also, i received very very good news yesterday from the dol that they decided to extend my case until october 7th in order to expand their investigation for the members sake.
And it also appears that atkinson was illegally displaced and may be able to be a part of the new district election.

 

[WeAAsles]

https://youtu.be/ScUNvDSEEKA

Of course as I said Parker is not lieing and I'm sure his perspective would be different than how our guys view things. Fact is he wants us to take the weakest of the two languages and he can still claim it's not concessionary since they both currently exist.

And if Parker has another roadshows in MIA I'll go. And I'll bring a few people with me.

I changed my mind. Please come to MIA Mr Parker.

 

[Kev3188]

And so states the gentleman who has no Union and no say since he doesn't work for American Airlines but instead works for a company that can do anything they want to him anytime they want to.

Yep.

And where I work doesn't change any of that. Hopefully they haven't been infected with "we got this" disease...

 

[Kev3188]

You were the strongest advocate for preaching "the best of both". What Parker has thus far offered exceeds your concessionary stance. Prez said that he was 20 out of 20 enhancing both contracts thus far. The 6 holidays that Parker offered is very very close to what you want, ie, 7.

Your weak and feeble "best of both" approach.

The best of both guarantees us to be industry worst for 5 more years.

That said, the last sidebar makes it very clear that our scope will be 105 flights a week provided status quo on new stations. This information has not been received by the negotiation committee yet. And they are stalling on the iam side. The nc doesnt have a clue though about this. It is far above them and is due to the iam intl election and nominations. Sito will stall this contract more until it is politically expedient for him to get a ta.

I am not sharing my opinion on the tentative scope limit or any of the other ta talk but the contract will pass by 95% no matter what i think.

Now the good news. We will get 10 holidays etc and money that you desire. Anyone who is all about paid days off and money will be happy. Bad news is that those peeps will have to wait for the political winds to resolve.

Also, i received very very good news yesterday from the dol that they decided to extend my case until october 7th in order to expand their investigation for the members sake.
And it also appears that atkinson was illegally displaced and may be able to be a part of the new district election.

10 holidays should be the minimum. At the carrier-WeAAsles-loves-to-hate we get that now...

 

[WeAAsles]

You were the strongest advocate for preaching "the best of both". What Parker has thus far offered exceeds your concessionary stance. Prez said that he was 20 out of 20 enhancing both contracts thus far. The 6 holidays that Parker offered is very very close to what you want, ie, 7.
Your weak and feeble "best of both" approach.
The best of both guarantees us to be industry worst for 5 more years.
That said, the last sidebar makes it very clear that our scope will be 105 flights a week provided status quo on new stations. This information has not been received by the negotiation committee yet. And they are stalling on the iam side. The nc doesnt have a clue though about this. It is far above them and is due to the iam intl election and nominations. Sito will stall this contract more until it is politically expedient for him to get a ta.
I am not sharing my opinion on the tentative scope limit or any of the other ta talk but the contract will pass by 95% no matter what i think.
Now the good news. We will get 10 holidays etc and money that you desire. Anyone who is all about paid days off and money will be happy. Bad news is that those peeps will have to wait for the political winds to resolve.
Also, i received very very good news yesterday from the dol that they decided to extend my case until october 7th in order to expand their investigation for the members sake.
And it also appears that atkinson was illegally displaced and may be able to be a part of the new district election.

Delete.

 

[WeAAsles]

Yep.
And where I work doesn't change any of that. Hopefully they haven't been infected with "we got this" disease...

You can't be infected with anything because you have no avenue to be able to negotiate your own agreement. The infection is actually people like yourself who are more concerned with the mundane Political wheels and cogs of it all rather than the bigger picture that you should be concerned with.

"How do you get to an enforceable labor agreement/contract"

You obviously haven't figured out that road yet and it's mainly because you fall sway to all the detour signs.

 

[WeAAsles]

10 holidays should be the minimum. At the carrier-WeAAsles-loves-to-hate we get that now...

"Hate"? Why would I hate any carrier/airline? Actually it's unbelievable that I work for American Airlines. I work for a huge piece of American history and have a model airplane by the side of my bed to remind me of that.

Don't "hate" Parker or anyone who's come before him either. Just don't see eye to eye always with the way they run the business is all.

How many times have I defended you that you don't hate your company either. Now you want to "attempt" to use the same line on me there Kev? You're a real pip bro.

And I realize that you think I hate your company. No. Actually I admire them. It's incredible how easily they can keep you all so duped.

 

[NYer]

Your opinion is wrong. If there are/were/is any leadership squabbles they would be/are separate from what our negotiators are working on.

Tim seems to have sold you/convinced you of this "infighting" word. Again as I posted the other day. If someone says something enough times people will start to believe it.

It's called propaganda.

 
Sorta like the person with more posts on this blog than anyone else.
 
If you say things long enough it must be so...Interesting.

 

[Other People]

That 15 flight per day mantra you're throwing out there is pure BS. You can throw it out there as often as you like and I'll swat it back at you each time.

Pure made up BS.

The iam is stalling and tim is right. He may not be a great messenger but he is right. It is really a shame that you and the iam have the same reactionary responses to tim instead of sitting down with him and working things out. If the iam can't do that then how can anyone espect them to deal effectively with parker? Avoiding tim has meant elections every single year instead of every 3 years and most likely cost delaney and atkinson their jobs. Everyone pays a price and the house pays for it all.

Do you know lynn tucker? Did you even read the email that tim shared? That email promises an international election between 2 internal groups. I suggest that someone pick up the phone or sit down with tim if sito or klemm want a unified district to help whatever side they may be on. Just looking at the nominations last year, tim managed to split all the large district locals, winning a few but losing the others by only a few votes. Maybe some day egos can be set aside and this district and the international iam can not continually be so dysfunctional. Until then, myself, the twu, you, and the entire district, will be put on pause and your negotiations will continue to suffer stalls because of politics. Whatever happened to communication? Our union operates as children, including tim, and i'd rather our officers resolve things with tim and resolve things at the international so we can live our lives with better working conditions. Until then tim is to be blamed but so are you and all of the district and international iam officers who can't sit down and work things out. I'm sick and tired of the crap in this district, and now international union. Tim always has a band. Stealing a drummer or keyboardist and not dealing with the band leader hasn't worked too well for our membership. And now we have the international mess and have to put off your contract for politics. Another district election is sure to offer more stalling until they know when an election will be. Good luck to all of us but i'm sure parker is laughing his ass off right now. All of you and your feuding is unacceptable. Call eachother, talk to eachother, meet with eachother.

 

[NYer]

To think that is not a possibility is being extremely naive. Especially knowing that Lombardo has not been a fan of the Association from day one AND the fact that he sent out a unite negotiating memo strictly speaking to and about the TWU. It was not a joint Sito/Lombardo, TWU/IAM Association memo. Sorry W, but it's possible that it exists and just as possible it is affecting negotiations.

 
Actions speak louder than words.

 

[WeAAsles]

Sorta like the person with more posts on this blog than anyone else.
 
If you say things long enough it must be so...Interesting.

Is that window you keep trying to stare through getting cloudier and cloudier? There is a way for you to come in out of the cold but I guess you prefer shivering.

 

[NYer]

Perhaps? Perhaps since the TWU has taken over or is set to take over the Association chair they want to take a different approach with the company? Perhaps the IAM doesn't feel comfortable quite yet with that approach?

Or perhaps it's simply that the TWU wants to start galvanizing and unifying their members? If that's the case wouldn't you say that it's long overdue?

But I believe our negotiators when they say that what is affecting negotiations is the company continuing to offer concessions. I have no reason to believe otherwise.

 
That happens are every negotiations. We go high, they go low...we meet in the middle. 

 

[Kev3188]

"Hate"? Why would I hate any carrier/airline? Actually it's unbelievable that I work for American Airlines. I work for a huge piece of American history and have a model airplane by the side of my bed to remind me of that.
Don't "hate" Parker or anyone who's come before him either. Just don't see eye to eye always with the way they run the business is all.
How many times have I defended you that you don't hate your company either. Now you want to "attempt" to use the same line on me there Kev? You're a real pip bro.
And I realize that you think I hate your company. No. Actually I admire them. It's incredible how easily they can keep you all so duped.

They're quite good at crafting a narrative, aren't they?

Know who else is doing a great job of that right now?

Doug Parker.

 

[WeAAsles]

That happens are every negotiations. We go high, they go low...we meet in the middle.

Obviously you haven't begun to realize yet that our negotiators are not interested in coming to the middle of two bankruptcy agreements.

They've stated that they've made improvements on both on about 20 articles.

If you were still in there is that what we would have to look forward to? The compromise on two bankruptcy agreements? "The middle"

And again you were in concessionary negotiations TWICE. This is not the same venue that your mind grew accustomed to.

 

[WeAAsles]

They're quite good at crafting a narrative, aren't they?
Know who else is doing a great job of that right now?
Doug Parker.

And people are also voting for Donald Trump too. Just not me. Snake oil doesn't actually cure diseases.

BTW Kev most people I "talk" to on the field are not buying his BS anymore. They're not.