JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Worldport]

Haven't any of you learned from the UA fiasco?

It's not all about money.

Ok so you settle now with a five year duration and another two to three years for section 6 negotiations so your looking at eight years.

Time is now to get the best deal you can get not eight years from now.

So you would say they are making good progress? 

 

[Kev3188]

Haven't any of you learned from the UA fiasco?

It's not all about money.

Ok so you settle now with a five year duration and another two to three years for section 6 negotiations so your looking at eight years.

Time is now to get the best deal you can get not eight years from now.

^This^

 

[700UW]

So you would say they are making good progress?

17 articles in five months is great progress considering most contracts take two to three years to settle.

HP and US merged in 2005 you didnt get a JCBA until 2008.

So what do you think about progress?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Haven't any of you learned from the UA fiasco?
It's not all about money.
Ok so you settle now with a five year duration and another two to three years for section 6 negotiations so your looking at eight years.
Time is now to get the best deal you can get not eight years from now.

Im hoping that the iam has learned from the 2 United contracts. Sorry, not interested in dopey contracts without full time protections, and no "no layoff", and only 28 stations. Sorry 700 but its not all about the money.

regards,

 

[WeAAsles]

Im hoping that the iam has learned from the 2 United contracts. Sorry, not interested in dopey contracts without full time protections, and no "no layoff", and only 28 stations. Sorry 700 but its not all about the money.
regards,

Tim under your metric and to again over and over refute the false information you're trying to spread. UAL went from having the ability to go down to 7 staffed cities next year and now moved up to 30 held. And that does not include another 18 cities that are held till 2024 which is another 8 years and 3 years after their contract becomes amendable so they may be able to secure even more permanently before the drop dead date.

It annoys me every time you try to pull this crap. You lose credibility every time you pull this nonsense out of your arse.

 

[WeAAsles]

regards? Kapeesh?

 

[cltrat]

Tim under your metric and to again over and over refute the false information you're trying to spread. UAL went from having the ability to go down to 7 staffed cities next year and now moved up to 30 held. And that does not include another 18 cities that are held till 2024 which is another 8 years and 3 years after their contract becomes amendable so they may be able to secure even more permanently before the drop dead date.

It annoys me every time you try to pull this crap. You lose credibility every time you pull this nonsense out of your arse.

I,m not sure but I think he is talking about the UA agreement this new one is replacing,it was voted in 2 or 3 three years ago

 

[700UW]

There is no new UA agreement, they just ratified a modification to their existing CBA , as UA approached the IAM for limited negotiations.

 

[Kev3188]

It's not all about money.

 

Sorry 700 but its not all about the money.

Aren't you guys actually agreeing here?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim under your metric and to again over and over refute the false information you're trying to spread. UAL went from having the ability to go down to 7 staffed cities next year and now moved up to 30 held. And that does not include another 18 cities that are held till 2024 which is another 8 years and 3 years after their contract becomes amendable so they may be able to secure even more permanently before the drop dead date.
It annoys me every time you try to pull this crap. You lose credibility every time you pull this nonsense out of your arse.

If being against a contract that has no full time protections is losing credibility then sign me up!

Even members on our nc said publicly in updates "if there is no part time cap then what good is $30 an hour?".

Never mind that one also needs 17 years to be protected and the worst health care in the industry.

Sorry weassles but im not impressed with those types of protections, especially when our non union ticket peeps got a no layoff agreement in their first contract and grandfather rights for ALL stations, and scope for all stations with 5+ flights and didnt agree to foreign res centers doing most res work.
Sorry.

regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

There is no new UA agreement, they just ratified a modification to their existing CBA , as UA approached the IAM for limited negotiations.

There is no new UA agreement, they just ratified a modification to their existing CBA , as UA approached the IAM for limited negotiations.

Kindly review the UA duration article. It is a new agreement and they voted on an entire new ta. Just because they decided to only bother with 6 articles and walk away from other articles doesnt make it anything less. They did walk away too early and they got exactly what a 90 day negotiation looks like.

regards,

 

[john john]

With the CWA getting the contract they have it came at a cost...

CWA/IBT gave up 2 mainline jets a day scope, Allowing CWA represented express agents to do mainline work, curbside check-in, allowing a lower pay classification to do core mainline work, varies work rules language and benefits,
No question this was a concessionary contact to LUS

 

[WeAAsles]

If being against a contract that has no full time protections is losing credibility then sign me up!

And for the 100th time they didn't have it to bring to the table in the first place. Have you read both of our contracts that we're bringing to the table? Both of our contracts already have a PT CAP in them.

 
 

Even members on our nc said publicly in updates "if there is no part time cap then what good is $30 an hour?".

And I agree wholeheartedly. But UAL already tried to knock a ton of people down to PT and the operation went to Hell as T5 said, and they had to bring them back up. 

And again in our two contracts we both already have PT caps and NO ONE is going to be agreeing to negotiate that away.

So what are you sweatin about?

 
 

Never mind that one also needs 17 years to be protected and the worst health care in the industry.

 

Ok and before the BK Judge got a hold of it, at AA I had FT System protection and a $12,500 special moving allowance if I was being layed off and decided to bump the system. I don't obviously have that anymore. Am I supposed to blame my negotiators for having a gun held to their heads? 

You seem to have a short term memory issue when it comes to the fact that we all went through BK Court and lost things.

 
 

Sorry weassles but im not impressed with those types of protections, especially when our non union ticket peeps got a no layoff agreement in their first contract and grandfather rights for ALL stations, and scope for all stations with 5+ flights and didnt agree to foreign res centers doing most res work.
Sorry.

 

No need to apologize. To quote John John.

"CWA/IBT gave up 2 mainline jets a day scope, Allowing CWA represented express agents to do mainline work, curbside check-in, allowing a lower pay classification to do core mainline work, varies work rules language and benefits,
No question this was a concessionary contact to LUS"

When the layoffs come Tim, and they will come. Many of those peeps are going to be forced to bump down to those CARS positions because they won't be able to move to keep the higher paying job they have right now. Maybe you weren't paying attention to the CWA Local President who was all over Facebook practically begging people to vote no? Or the Negotiator who went rogue and then was left out of going around and explaining that TA?

 

[700UW]

Kindly review the UA duration article. It is a new agreement and they voted on an entire new ta. Just because they decided to only bother with 6 articles and walk away from other articles doesnt make it anything less. They did walk away too early and they got exactly what a 90 day negotiation looks like.

regards,

It is not a new agreement, it was limited negotiations on Quality of Life issues, it was not and never was Section 6 negotiations.
 
It was a modification of their existing CBA, you can spin and post misinformation, myself and others will call you out, as you have your own personal agenda.
 
And the majority of your posts, shows your financial desperation.

 

[WeAAsles]

I,m not sure but I think he is talking about the UA agreement this new one is replacing,it was voted in 2 or 3 three years ago

No I knew exactly what Tim was talking about. And all he's trying to do is create an atmosphere of fear into people who read these pages. He has a very hard time giving people the whole story and the truth.

That's ok though because I have no problem correcting what he try's to put out and get people to believe.

Just not happening under my watch.

regards