JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Tim Nelson]

You are simply a liar who has a personal vendetta and an ax to grind mostly with the leadership of IAM District 141 because you can't get your way. You make it personal because you're not in the position you feel you should be.

You've said this before to me and I'll say it back to you. I won't let YOU mess up my negotiations and by extension the contract that will effect ME. Basically you're messing with my wallet.

Robert DeNero/ Parenthood

"I'll take you down, I'll take you down to Chinatown Foker"

Well, looks like the Association is doing a great job of screwing up your negotiations all by themselves. Not surprisingly, you stand up for the Association when Klima had his Barbie tantrum and delayed negotiations for 9 months trying to secure Miller, then sending out a dumbarse letter to the TWU locals to join him over the TWU interantional. Klima is anti union and is an employee of Delta btw.

Then you stood up for the Association when it pissed away another 4 months reconciling articles between the two Labor Organizations. NYer checked you and informed you that those reconciling of articles should have ALREADY happened.

You had to scramble and build a strawman claiming that the delay was planned so we can get a bigger wage increase from the United wage increase. In the meantime, your strawman has cost us $10,000 according to your math.

Now, after Glass had his little sidebar and it was revealed that the TWU and IAM STILL are NOT prepared to start passing scope and other articles, Glass sent them packing and canceled last week's negotiations so the two groups can hopefully get their collective shiat together. And you come on here and lie and tell peeps that the Association felt that it was more important to cancel negotiations and redouble its efforts flittering with seniority. Anyone who believed that garbage lie could say hello to the Easter Bunny for me.

 

[AANOTOK]

Well, looks like the Association is doing a great job of screwing up your negotiations all by themselves. Not surprisingly, you stand up for the Association when Klima had his Barbie tantrum and delayed negotiations for 9 months trying to secure Miller, then sending out a dumbarse letter to the TWU locals to join him over the TWU interantional. Klima is anti union and is an employee of Delta btw.

Then you stood up for the Association when it pissed away another 4 months reconciling articles between the two Labor Organizations. NYer checked you and informed you that those reconciling of articles should have ALREADY happened.

You had to scramble and build a strawman claiming that the delay was planned so we can get a bigger wage increase from the United wage increase. In the meantime, your strawman has cost us $10,000 according to your math.

Now, after Glass had his little sidebar and it was revealed that the TWU and IAM STILL are NOT prepared to start passing scope and other articles, Glass sent them packing and canceled last week's negotiations so the two groups can hopefully get their collective shiat together. And you come on here and lie and tell peeps that the Association felt that it was more important to cancel negotiations and redouble its efforts flittering with seniority. Anyone who believed that garbage lie could say hello to the Easter Bunny for me.

Pretty bold statement...A. Tim, can you prove that? B. Any Association folk want to refute it. Serious claim indeed!

 

[WeAAsles]

Pretty bold statement...A. Tim, can you prove that? B. Any Association folk want to refute it. Serious claim indeed!

Thank you.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Pretty bold statement...A. Tim, can you prove that? B. Any Association folk want to refute it. Serious claim indeed!

I'm not ratting out where the info came from. But the TWU and IAM are 100% certainly ill prepared to move forward as they are NOT ONE on some of the most important things. What is known by all is that the TWU/IAM is not prepared, as of last week, to open up 12 big articles. The company IS aware of that. The sidebars are forward looking meetings where the negotiation team doesn't participate, only the peeps at the top like Sito, Lombardo. Hopefully, Sito has learned that the company doesn't want to negotiate against Jeckyl and Hyde until the Association can present a united front [actually Parker wants them to be more unified if you can believe it]. This isn't a vindication of Parker, although we can't blame Parker at this point. Out of the 20 concluded items, Parker improved upon all 20 of them. And I'm sure he will eventually improve upon the Holiday article as well even though the negotiation team blasted Parker for his passing of an article splitting the holidays between the TWU and IAM contracts. Maybe I'm wrong and Parker turns south, dunno, but if we look at the history of these talks, Parker has improved upon 20 out of 20 articles, and that is by admission of the negotiation team themselves. The problem is, as of last week, the Association simply was not prepared yet to move forward due to internal squabbling over some of the more important articles. Based on what I know, and I could be wrong, I believe Parker when he says in the video that nobody can look at him with a straight face and say he is the one stalling.

The alternative discussion is necessarily a belief that the Association decided to cancel negotiations to redouble efforts on seniority. But the truth is that it can completely shelve seniority until after a TA as it does NOT have to stand in the way of a TA. Something bad is happening and we have to find out what is going on. Hopefully, Sito will yield to Lombardo and we can get a fresh start because we have wasted 3 years and it isn't working.

 

[WeAAsles]

I'm not ratting out where the info came from. But the TWU and IAM are 100% certainly ill prepared to move forward as they are NOT ONE on some of the most important things. What is known by all is that the TWU/IAM is not prepared, as of last week, to open up 12 big articles. The company IS aware of that. The sidebars are forward looking meetings where the negotiation team doesn't participate, only the peeps at the top like Sito, Lombardo. Hopefully, Sito has learned that the company doesn't want to negotiate against Jeckyl and Hyde until the Association can present a united front [actually Parker wants them to be more unified if you can believe it]. This isn't a vindication of Parker, although we can't blame Parker at this point. Out of the 20 concluded items, Parker improved upon all 20 of them. And I'm sure he will eventually improve upon the Holiday article as well even though the negotiation team blasted Parker for his passing of an article splitting the holidays between the TWU and IAM contracts. Maybe I'm wrong and Parker turns south, dunno, but if we look at the history of these talks, Parker has improved upon 20 out of 20 articles, and that is by admission of the negotiation team themselves. The problem is, as of last week, the Association simply was not prepared yet to move forward due to internal squabbling over some of the more important articles.The alternative discussion is necessarily a belief that the Association decided to cancel negotiations to redouble efforts on seniority. But the truth is that it can completely shelve seniority until after a TA as it does NOT have to stand in the way of a TA. Something bad is happening and we have to find out what is going on. Hopefully, Sito will yield to Lombardo and we can get a fresh start because we have wasted 3 years and it isn't working.

Sounds to me like if this guy is getting any type of information it's coming from the COMPANY and its slanted to THEIR point of view? It sounds to me like he's propelling an agenda that would be pushed from the other side of the table and not our side.

 

[Traymark]

Actually sounds exactly like it read between the lines by Parker and also the videos put out by Peterson.

Both guys basically said the same thing in different ways.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Actually sounds exactly like it read between the lines by Parker and also the videos put out by Peterson.

Both guys basically said the same thing in different ways.

Even Weasel will or should admit that the TWU and IAM are NOT on the same page. There is a reason why things are delayed over the big items. And there is a reason why the company wants the Association to get its shiat together.

Imagine that, Parker actually trying to bring the TWU and IAM more unified. That speaks volumes and that supports his actions with the other Labor groups on the property as well.

It makes no sense to pass a proposal back to the union if one head agrees but the other head says no way. The sidebars dictate the direction and that is also where the company and top union bosses figure what framework to approach the topic. Doesn't mean the company agrees or disagrees on a path, but it does need to know what is the priorities under each topic for the union, then the company can decide how to cut the same piece of pie a different way. At this point, it doesn't even know that and effectively tossed up its hands and told the TWU and IAM to take a pause and come back unified. Hopefully, they did that this week.

Another thing that is fallacy is the conspiracy thought that Prez and Weasel put out there that Parker is intentionally stalling because he hates our group alone. I sorta scratch my head at that sorta thinking as when we look at the evidence, we see the following:

1. TWU and IAM still in a cat fight over some big items, which is consistent with the short history of this Association.
2. Parker not only delivered what he said, but he gave all work groups that have new contracts.....even more than what he signed for.
2. Parker enhanced the scope of the CWA, even though there were 75% non union and non contract to expand their scope to all stations with 5 flights, even when the LAA side had zero scope. He also protected all stations without 5 flights by offering grandfather clauses so none of them could be left out. Never mind he delivered on the Delta + 3%, etc, then turned around and stuffed more money in their pockets with Profit sharing, yet our Association can't even agree with itself to pass proposals to management regarding similar items.

My assessment, look, Parker is shrewd, but how can we blame him if our own Association has thus far REFUSED to pass specific proposals over scope, wage, etc???

I lean towards Parker on this one and I think there is strong evidence to believe him on his video when he says "Nobody can look at me with a straight face and say I'm the one stalling these talks." When he goes further and flat out mentions the TWU and IAM instead of the Associaiton, that is telling.

Honestly, it doesn't look like Parker is the bad guy here, when we consider the evidence of his known actions thus far. If someone else sees something different then please chime in.

Hopefully, all parties can devise a new plan because Sito screwed everything up. My understanding is that Sito is going to be removed next week, so Hopefully Lombardo or some TWU Boss can finally be able to unify the Association in a way that can move our talks to a conclusion. They are stealing our money.

 

[WeAAsles]

Even Weasel will or should admit that the TWU and IAM are NOT on the same page. There is a reason why things are delayed over the big items. And there is a reason why the company wants the Association to get its shiat together.Imagine that, Parker actually trying to bring the TWU and IAM more unified. That speaks volumes and that supports his actions with the other Labor groups on the property as well.It makes no sense to pass a proposal back to the union if one head agrees but the other head says no way. The sidebars dictate the direction and that is also where the company and top union bosses figure what framework to approach the topic. Doesn't mean the company agrees or disagrees on a path, but it does need to know what is the priorities under each topic for the union, then the company can decide how to cut the same piece of pie a different way. At this point, it doesn't even know that and effectively tossed up its hands and told the TWU and IAM to take a pause and come back unified. Hopefully, they did that this week.Another thing that is fallacy is the conspiracy thought that Prez and Weasel put out there that Parker is intentionally stalling because he hates our group alone. I sorta scratch my head at that sorta thinking as when we look at the evidence, we see the following:1. TWU and IAM still in a cat fight over some big items, which is consistent with the short history of this Association.2. Parker not only delivered what he said, but he gave all work groups that have new contracts.....even more than what he signed for.2. Parker enhanced the scope of the CWA, even though there were 75% non union and non contract to expand their scope to all stations with 5 flights, even when the LAA side had zero scope. He also protected all stations without 5 flights by offering grandfather clauses so none of them could be left out. Never mind he delivered on the Delta + 3%, etc, then turned around and stuffed more money in their pockets with Profit sharing, yet our Association can't even agree with itself to pass proposals to management regarding similar items.My assessment, look, Parker is shrewd, but how can we blame him if our own Association has thus far REFUSED to pass specific proposals over scope, wage, etc???I lean towards Parker on this one and I think there is strong evidence to believe him on his video when he says "Nobody can look at me with a straight face and say I'm the one stalling these talks." When he goes further and flat out mentions the TWU and IAM instead of the Associaiton, that is telling. Hopefully, all parties can devise a new plan because Sito screwed everything up. My understanding is that Sito is going to be removed next week, so Hopefully Lombardo or some TWU Boss can finally be able to unify the Association in a way that can move our talks to a conclusion. They are stealing our money.

Tim you can inform your Company handlers this if they haven't already figured it out. Our guys are no longer willing to accept Bankruptcy agreements when the company is making multiple Billions in profit. And they absolutely as they've stated are not going to accept the weakest language out of the two contracts on both sides. The company more than has the ability now for "restore and more" and that's what we want.

Now why don't you run off and give your handlers a call.

 

[Worldport]

Pretty bold statement...A. Tim, can you prove that? B. Any Association folk want to refute it. Serious claim indeed!

Whether it's a lie or not they couldn't negotiating with the company because some of the same people are on both committees. Either way they weren't prepared and had to pause.Trying to keep both groups(TWU&IAM)happy is going to be next to impossible. So get the contract done and with the extra money we can by all the kleenex we need

 

[Worldport]

Actually sounds exactly like it read between the lines by Parker and also the videos put out by Peterson.

Both guys basically said the same thing in different ways.

You know there is infighting but of course the union isn't going to admit it

 

[Worldport]

Tim you can inform your Company handlers this if they haven't already figured it out. Our guys are no longer willing to accept Bankruptcy agreements when the company is making multiple Billions in profit. And they absolutely as they've stated are not going to accept the weakest language out of the two contracts on both sides. The company more than has the ability now for "restore and more" and that's what we want.

Now why don't you run off and give your handlers a call.

Weez Tim calls you 701 and now you are practically calling him a Parker mini me, and you wrote so much of credibility. Getting down in the mud are we

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim you can inform your Company handlers this if they haven't already figured it out. Our guys are no longer willing to accept Bankruptcy agreements when the company is making multiple Billions in profit. And they absolutely as they've stated are not going to accept the weakest language out of the two contracts on both sides. The company more than has the ability now for "restore and more" and that's what we want.

Now why don't you run off and give your handlers a call.

Um, well, I'm sorta waiting for the Association to do that. It's been 3 years and the two groups (TWU and IAM) are playing 'chicken'. I have no idea what the company response will be once our Association can get its collective head out of its arse, but it speaks volumes when management is playing "Dr Phil" and actually trying to encourage both Labor Groups to unify. Much better would be for you to stop destroying our talks and inciting these monkeys, and to tell them to get their shiat together. I'm not the bad guy here.

Weasel -1

 

[NYer]

Again calling the elected representatives of our Unions, monkeys? Well I guess if you can call them monkeys, I can call you GARBAGE.

If name calling is your personal flavor, yea garbage fits you well.

 
Yeah, because you don't call elected representatives and other Members names or disparage their name.

 

[WeAAsles]

Yeah, because you don't call elected representatives and other Members names or disparage their name.

Saying that an individual is a liar, possible cheater and has no integrity or honor is not name calling. It's speaking about the individuals character or lack of character.

Monkey, retard, moron, crack head, idiot, etc. That's name calling.

Very discernible difference.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Even Weasel will or should admit that the TWU and IAM are NOT on the same page. There is a reason why things are delayed over the big items. And there is a reason why the company wants the Association to get its shiat together.

Imagine that, Parker actually trying to bring the TWU and IAM more unified. That speaks volumes and that supports his actions with the other Labor groups on the property as well.

It makes no sense to pass a proposal back to the union if one head agrees but the other head says no way. The sidebars dictate the direction and that is also where the company and top union bosses figure what framework to approach the topic. Doesn't mean the company agrees or disagrees on a path, but it does need to know what is the priorities under each topic for the union, then the company can decide how to cut the same piece of pie a different way. At this point, it doesn't even know that and effectively tossed up its hands and told the TWU and IAM to take a pause and come back unified. Hopefully, they did that this week.

Another thing that is fallacy is the conspiracy thought that Prez and Weasel put out there that Parker is intentionally stalling because he hates our group alone. I sorta scratch my head at that sorta thinking as when we look at the evidence, we see the following:

1. TWU and IAM still in a cat fight over some big items, which is consistent with the short history of this Association.
2. Parker not only delivered what he said, but he gave all work groups that have new contracts.....even more than what he signed for.
2. Parker enhanced the scope of the CWA, even though there were 75% non union and non contract to expand their scope to all stations with 5 flights, even when the LAA side had zero scope. He also protected all stations without 5 flights by offering grandfather clauses so none of them could be left out. Never mind he delivered on the Delta + 3%, etc, then turned around and stuffed more money in their pockets with Profit sharing, yet our Association can't even agree with itself to pass proposals to management regarding similar items.

My assessment, look, Parker is shrewd, but how can we blame him if our own Association has thus far REFUSED to pass specific proposals over scope, wage, etc???

I lean towards Parker on this one and I think there is strong evidence to believe him on his video when he says "Nobody can look at me with a straight face and say I'm the one stalling these talks." When he goes further and flat out mentions the TWU and IAM instead of the Associaiton, that is telling.

Honestly, it doesn't look like Parker is the bad guy here, when we consider the evidence of his known actions thus far. If someone else sees something different then please chime in.

Hopefully, all parties can devise a new plan because Sito screwed everything up. My understanding is that Sito is going to be removed next week, so Hopefully Lombardo or some TWU Boss can finally be able to unify the Association in a way that can move our talks to a conclusion. They are stealing our money.

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