JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Worldport]

Quiet here today, heck I wouldn't mind even seeing one of Bob's videos. I think I'll mosey over to the Back Page and look at the hooker ads until things pick up

 

[Tim Nelson]

I LOVE how you keep admitting that you could care less about being "Credible" Every time you say that you just keep admitting that you prefer to lie. You've said it more than once now on this thread.
Again to repeat what Tim Nelson has said and continues to say "I could care less about credibility"
The personal agenda far outweighs sincerity. (Being honest)http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/credibility
My Mom said to me many times, "You can trust a theif but you can't trust a liar"

Doesnt mean anyone is lying. Btw what makes you credible? Zippo. I dont seek credibility but i have enuf of it based on my history.

These talks have 3 doors.
Door #1; $30 and scope for 15 flights
Door #2; $27-$28 scope for 8 flights
Door #3: if the twu and iam cant get a plan then we get coal for Christmas and lose our $3,000 profit sharing check and we scrap the association.

Thats the story guys but the association has to pick which door as the company advised in the sidebar.

 

[Tim Nelson]

one more item that should be taken into consideration.. how about having a time period before mandatory OT for operational issues.    currently our 2013 agreement states within 1 hr prior to shift ending     Just 2 days ago our station received some 15 or so give or take diversions by far more than any other city  due to the thunderstorm activity from PHL on northward    One of the flights came in had Calif Gov on board.  we had 3 diverts on 3 gates plus 2 of our reg flights on the other 2   The state refused to give us more gates to use   meanwhile the nightmare at BWI continued  as we filled the freight ramp with 4 more flights...one with calif gov.   only had 5 agents total    mgmt failed to get some of the part timers to stay   I got off at my reg time and came in the next day and it was real bad   I got 4.5 hrs of OT so not bad for me ...    but mgmt. failed  as usual and never got help   yesterday the shift mgr really took it out and threaten to mando everyone on afternoon  yet we had just 2 late arrivals... my DFW 1106 and PHX 1479    both made up lit time.   most of the diverts were LAA planes whose flight crews failed to acknowledge dispatchers we had no gate space   all planes that sat out by Runway 28 had 2hrs and 55 min hold out there.....  some mighty angry peeps on board I personally don't care for LAA flight crews compared to LUS crews as LAA crews are rude and get in your way when cleaning planes  LUS crews go out of there way to help clean planes   at least in our city they do

Imo you should edit your post.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Just might rain!

 

[WeAAsles]

Doesnt mean anyone is lying. Btw what makes you credible? Zippo. I dont seek credibility but i have enuf of it based on my history.
These talks have 3 doors.
Door #1; $30 and scope for 15 flights
Door #2; $27-$28 scope for 8 flights
Door #3: if the twu and iam cant get a plan then we get coal for Christmas and lose our $3,000 profit sharing check and we scrap the association.
Thats the story guys but the association has to pick which door as the company advised in the sidebar.

You can't seek credibility Tim. You're either credible or you're not. You said again that you don't care about being credible, so the opposite of that is being a liar.

So honestly you admit that you're a liar. No way really around that since you've said it TWICE now in the last week.

 

[Tim Nelson]

49,000 members after the contracts are  complete how many AA members? I would say that's a large percentage compared to LUS  members and the IAM

If you count wn and aa thats about half of twu, right? Yet local 100 seems to control everything.

 

[ograc]

Doesnt mean anyone is lying. Btw what makes you credible? Zippo. I dont seek credibility but i have enuf of it based on my history.

These talks have 3 doors.
Door #1; $30 and scope for 15 flights
Door #2; $27-$28 scope for 8 flights
Door #3: if the twu and iam cant get a plan then we get coal for Christmas and lose our $3,000 profit sharing check and we scrap the association.

Thats the story guys but the association has to pick which door as the company advised in the sidebar.

 
You forgot to add; behind all three doors medical contributions will be going up. This company is still in the "cost neutral" mode of negotiating. There are costs associated with language in many Articles of any TA. The company is fully aware what those costs are. Hopefully, so is the Association and the NC Committee. Speaking of costs... I believe the company has a total $$$ figure in mind, relating to what they are willing to spend, with our group's future contract.  If your theory is correct our NC is negotiating with a company that, although making record profits, comes to the table with the same "cost neutral" posture they displayed, both at LUS and AA, in BK negotiations. This posture is not conducive to any quick TA given the current economic environment. I would expect our NC to resist at the table. I would hope our membership remains resolved in obtaining a Joint Contract, however long it takes, that reflects our fair share of the profitability. In the end... it will all come down to what the membership decides is a fair agreement. 
 

 

[Worldport]

If you count wn and aa thats about half of twu, right? Yet local 100 seems to control everything.

That's what I'm saying with that clout the members should have more say not the union condescending "we know whats best for you" "we will tell you what you need to know" etc.

 

[Tim Nelson]

That's what I'm saying with that clout the members should have more say not the union condescending "we know whats best for you" "we will tell you what you need to know" etc.

I think chicken little was an american guy. At iam, our st is airline and sito is old twa but sito seemed to flip to management now, and dora was more concerned with illegally blocking atkinson.

 

[AANOTOK]

 
You forgot to add; behind all three doors medical contributions will be going up. This company is still in the "cost neutral" mode of negotiating. There are costs associated with language in many Articles of any TA. The company is fully aware what those costs are. Hopefully, so is the Association and the NC Committee. Speaking of costs... I believe the company has a total $$$ figure in mind, relating to what they are willing to spend, with our group's future contract.  If your theory is correct our NC is negotiating with a company that, although making record profits, comes to the table with the same "cost neutral" posture they displayed, both at LUS and AA, in BK negotiations. This posture is not conducive to any quick TA given the current economic environment. I would expect our NC to resist at the table. I would hope our membership remains resolved in obtaining a Joint Contract, however long it takes, that reflects our fair share of the profitability. In the end... it will all come down to what the membership decides is a fair agreement. 
 

If what P. Rez and CB say is true, and I'm not saying it's not, then yes, carry on until the company realizes the merger will never be complete until the screwing is over. I still reserve the right to complain and voice my opinion at the Association because they have given us a reason not to be trusted. Obviously no say in the formation, secondly this Seniority issue should have never been a bump in the road during negotiations, should have been agreed upon before hand (which we were led to believe it was). Third, and I know P.Rez and CB are giving us both only their opinions and what they are able to release, but the updates suck. And finally fourth, this he said she said bullcrap is easily settled, show us the proof...your track record forbids us from assuming the truth! And on a personal opinion, do I think the inability to see eye to eye on some articles between the IAM and TWU remain, yes I do and that was my gripe from day one.

 

[WeAAsles]

I think chicken little was an american guy. At iam, our st is airline and sito is old twa but sito seemed to flip to management now, and dora was more concerned with illegally blocking atkinson.

Is this comment from the credible Tim or the not credible Tim. Oh I'm sorry. You admitted you didn't care about credibility so there's only one Tim.

Carry on.

 

[ograc]

If what P. Rez and CB say is true, and I'm not saying it's not, then yes, carry on until the company realizes the merger will never be complete until the screwing is over. I still reserve the right to complain and voice my opinion at the Association because they have given us a reason not to be trusted. Obviously no say in the formation, secondly this Seniority issue should have never been a bump in the road during negotiations, should have been agreed upon before hand (which we were led to believe it was). Third, and I know P.Rez and CB are giving us both only their opinions and what they are able to release, but the updates suck. And finally fourth, this he said she said bullcrap is easily settled, show us the proof...your track record forbids us from assuming the truth! And on a personal opinion, do I think the inability to see eye to eye on some articles between the IAM and TWU remain, yes I do and that was my gripe from day one.

 
What the company says in town hall meetings and the reality of their posture in negotiations seems to be quite different. Historically, this should come as no surprise to anyone. Let's wait to see what the Association and the NC deems to be a fair and equitable agreement. In the end, we the membership, will have the final say. Every thing else is hypothetical debate and personal attacks on those who express their opinions. In the meantime... I will await a TA that my collective bargaining representatives believe is fair and equitable for the entire group. The TA, whenever it comes, will serve as a pivotal point for many parties.
 

 

[Worldport]

Is this comment from the credible Tim or the not credible Tim. Oh I'm sorry. You admitted you didn't care about credibility so there's only one Tim.

Carry on.

But you back the ASS 100% yet there was never a vote and how come no updates or negotiators or videos come flat out and say the IAMPF will not be forced on TWU members. That seems to be the biggest point of contention so why not nip it in the bud

 

[Tim Nelson]

Is this comment from the credible Tim or the not credible Tim. Oh I'm sorry. You admitted you didn't care about credibility so there's only one Tim.
Carry on.

People can believe what they want. If it wasnt for kevin H and the twu local in ord most wouldnt know anything other than the "progress" reports on negotiations.

 

[Tim Nelson]

But you back the ASS 100% yet there was never a vote and how come no updates or negotiators or videos come flat out and say the IAMPF will not be forced on TWU members. That seems to be the biggest point of contention so why not nip it in the bud

The twu has already proposed that the company adopt the iampf. Video cometh. Be very very afraid.