JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

Do you know that for a fact? Seems hard to believe considering all the infighting that is still going on.

YES. The proposals are on the Association website. I've posted them here a few times now. Easy to find, just scroll down.

 

[Worldport]

YES. The proposals are on the Association website. I've posted them here a few times now. Easy to find, just scroll down.

I know I sound like a broken record but I still think we will get the same deal as passenger service all our competitors pretty much do the same. Whats the big deal? What kind of logic could the company use to deny it?Very frustrating

 

[WeAAsles]

I know I sound like a broken record but I still think we will get the same deal as passenger service all our competitors pretty much do the same. Whats the big deal? What kind of logic could the company use to deny it?Very frustrating

The company continues to propose the worst language in the two contracts over the best language which both are still sub par.

Ask the company why they're doing this? Peterson isn't lieing.

 

[AANOTOK]

Here is a hint WP, we (Fleet) are not even being offered what the mechanics are being offered. I wouldn't concern myself too much with what the 591 prez has to say, I would try and follow what P. REZ and CB throw at us. I, like you, probably sound like a broken record, but lay both hands down, face up and you can clear up 100% of this misinformation. Doug says it's the Association, the Association says it's AA, I call...

 

[Tim Nelson]

YES. The proposals are on the Association website. I've posted them here a few times now. Easy to find, just scroll down.

That is incorrect. The Association never presented a comprehensive proposal on retirement or wages or much less anything else other than bulletin boards and 20 other items that are lesser than the meat and potato items. In fact, you are funny. When I mentioned yesterday about scope and $30 + 15 flights, or $28 + 8 flights, you outright claimed that the association never passed anything on scope. Funny but I never mentioned that they did either, I was taking about the infighting on what they wanted to present. That may be what Parker was alluding to as well. The only thing passed to the company has been a complete reopening of every article with a general framework as mentioned and presented on the website. Since then, the Associaiton has refused to pass proposals over big items. Even now, Prez said there are only 7 or 8 items on the table that have been passed then the association plans on working through the remaining items. So, you can't "Pick and choose" weasel. If you want to blame Parker then fine, blame away, but when I or anyone else checks you on it and clarifies that Parker doesn't even have a retirement proposal passed to him, you need to come clean and admit the truth. That's the story.

That said, Sito and Glass have had sidebars where the entire negotiation team isn't included, so both understand what the pie is and what it needs to look like.

Let's hope that Parker has patience with Sito and doesn't just hammer us.

 

[WeAAsles]

Here is a hint WP, we (Fleet) are not even being offered what the mechanics are being offered. I wouldn't concern myself too much with what the 591 prez has to say, I would try and follow what P. REZ and CB throw at us. I, like you, probably sound like a broken record, but lay both hands down, face up and you can clear up 100% of this misinformation. Doug says it's the Association, the Association says it's AA, I call...

Doug doesn't consider the weakest language being presented to us a concession. Technically since the language exists he's not lieing. It's just BS fluff though.

 

[WeAAsles]

That is incorrect. The Association never presented a comprehensive proposal on retirement or wages or much less anything else other than bulletin boards and 20 other items that are lesser than the meat and potato items. In fact, you are funny. When I mentioned yesterday about scope and $30 + 15 flights, or $28 + 8 flights, you outright claimed that the association never passed anything on scope. Funny but I never mentioned that they did either, I was taking about the infighting on what they wanted to present. That may be what Parker was alluding to as well. The only thing passed to the company has been a complete reopening of every article with a general framework as mentioned and presented on the website. Since then, the Associaiton has refused to pass proposals over big items. Even now, Prez said there are only 7 or 8 items on the table that have been passed then the association plans on working through the remaining items. So, you can't "Pick and choose" weasel. If you want to blame Parker then fine, blame away, but when I or anyone else checks you on it and clarifies that Parker doesn't even have a retirement proposal passed to him, you need to come clean and admit the truth. That's the story.That said, Sito and Glass have had sidebars where the entire negotiation team isn't included, so both understand what the pie is and what it needs to look like.Let's hope that Parker has patience with Sito and doesn't just hammer us.

http://www.usaamerger.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Association-Positions-Proposal-Document.pdf

The COMPANY is working on one item at a time. They have not presented a full proposal in response to this day.

 

[Tim Nelson]

and where is the Association leadership? I mean, one local president gives a decent 'rogue' update, another Local wants to meet at the flag. Even the two different headed Association is divided. Why couldn't the Associaiton have a 'meet at the flag' day, or a video update? Why is everything separate? Even Parker alluded to the fact that there is a plurality and he almost giggled as to put his hands in the air and say "Beats me". He caught himself though and instead of saying "This isn't working" he said, "Maybe we have to try something new" as if he was brainstorming and didn't have the answers. Something is wrong. Something very bad is happening with this association and we have to find out what is going on.

The Association is stealing our money

 

[AANOTOK]

Doug doesn't consider the weakest language being presented to us a concession. Technically since the language exists he's not lieing. It's just BS fluff though.

W, the cat was let out of the bag early. Cargo and Catering were on the chopping block. Maybe no mention since, don't know cause as you have alluded to, scope hasn't been discussed. You can bet your bottom dollar, there are more "legit" concessions. I would be willing to bet part time cap and/or ready reserve will be on their request list. Those are legit concessions in any book.

 

[Worldport]

That is incorrect. The Association never presented a comprehensive proposal on retirement or wages or much less anything else other than bulletin boards and 20 other items that are lesser than the meat and potato items. In fact, you are funny. When I mentioned yesterday about scope and $30 + 15 flights, or $28 + 8 flights, you outright claimed that the association never passed anything on scope. Funny but I never mentioned that they did either, I was taking about the infighting on what they wanted to present. That may be what Parker was alluding to as well. The only thing passed to the company has been a complete reopening of every article with a general framework as mentioned and presented on the website. Since then, the Associaiton has refused to pass proposals over big items. Even now, Prez said there are only 7 or 8 items on the table that have been passed then the association plans on working through the remaining items. So, you can't "Pick and choose" weasel. If you want to blame Parker then fine, blame away, but when I or anyone else checks you on it and clarifies that Parker doesn't even have a retirement proposal passed to him, you need to come clean and admit the truth. That's the story.

That said, Sito and Glass have had sidebars where the entire negotiation team isn't included, so both understand what the pie is and what it needs to look like.

Let's hope that Parker has patience with Sito and doesn't just hammer us.

Tim I would be absolutely blown away if the IAM proposed $28 or $27 or $27.50. I'm not sticking up for them but you would have an easier time convincing me there was a Santa Clause

 

[WeAAsles]

Tim I would be absolutely blown away if the IAM proposed $28 or $27 or $27.50. I'm not sticking up for them but you would have an easier time convincing me there was a Santa Clause

I tried to molest the Tooth Fairy the first time she came to my bedroom. She giggled at first and then kicked out the rest of my little teeth.

Hated that damn Tooth Fairy after that.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim I would be absolutely blown away if the IAM proposed $28 or $27 or $27.50. I'm not sticking up for them but you would have an easier time convincing me there was a Santa Clause

The IAM wants more members and is willing to join management's team and subsidize the rest of us if everyone is cool with it. But the company isn't going to give us 1 flight a day scope and has already indicated it will wiggle if the price is right. Weasel may have been tipped off about this because he actually mentioned it months earlier about how the metrics and $30 doesn't fit well in low yield low revenue mid markets. The TWU is insistent of $30 and worry about the unborn later. Not that the IAM hasn't tossed away the unborn, because it has when it decided to freeze our scope and not bring in additional stations like IAH. IMO, we must take care of the current dues payers FIRST and FOREMOST. FIRST AND FOREMOST. In these talks, I don't want to sacrifice the current members for the unborn, for the most part. For example, for the sake of right, I'm not saying that the starting wage should still be at ridiculous low levels. In that case, I believe the unborn [insert new hire] should make at least $15. But we have to keep and enhance language that funnels people to the top of the scale with full time opportunities. I like the TWU's "Full time" First overtime. The TWU pt caps seem better. The TWU retirement and health care is equal whether part time or full time. So, although we must take care of the current peeps first, we can't keep allowing the "IAM way" by subsidizing full timers by slashing part time benefits. That incites less full time opportunities and less money for full timers.

 

[WeAAsles]

and where is the Association leadership? I mean, one local president gives a decent 'rogue' update, another Local wants to meet at the flag. Even the two different headed Association is divided. Why couldn't the Associaiton have a 'meet at the flag' day, or a video update? Why is everything separate? Even Parker alluded to the fact that there is a plurality and he almost giggled as to put his hands in the air and say "Beats me". He caught himself though and instead of saying "This isn't working" he said, "Maybe we have to try something new" as if he was brainstorming and didn't have the answers. Something is wrong. Something very bad is happening with this association and we have to find out what is going on.The Association is stealing our money

I have to wonder sometimes? You mention Parker an awful lot and seem to believe everything he says and are trying to convince us the same thing?

I bet your an inside mole for the company.

You claim you don't have to work and have boatloads of money? Take 20 trips a year? All the things you've done in the last 20 years. Yea your on someone's payroll I bet.

 

[AANOTOK]

I tried to molest the Tooth Fairy the first time she came to my bedroom. She giggled at first and then kicked out the rest of my little teeth.

Hated that damn Tooth Fairy after that.

That's only because you mistook the Easter Bunny for a gerbil...Sorry W, that was too easy!

 

[WeAAsles]

The IAM wants more members and is willing to join management's team and subsidize the rest of us if everyone is cool with it. But the company isn't going to give us 1 flight a day scope and has already indicated it will wiggle if the price is right. Weasel may have been tipped off about this because he actually mentioned it months earlier about how the metrics and $30 doesn't fit well in low yield low revenue mid markets. The TWU is insistent of $30 and worry about the unborn later. Not that the IAM hasn't tossed away the unborn, because it has when it decided to freeze our scope and not bring in additional stations like IAH. IMO, we must take care of the current dues payers FIRST and FOREMOST. FIRST AND FOREMOST. In these talks, I don't want to sacrifice the current members for the unborn, for the most part. For example, for the sake of right, I'm not saying that the starting wage should still be at ridiculous low levels. In that case, I believe the unborn [insert new hire] should make at least $15. But we have to keep and enhance language that funnels people to the top of the scale with full time opportunities. I like the TWU's "Full time" First overtime. The TWU pt caps seem better. The TWU retirement and health care is equal whether part time or full time. So, although we must take care of the current peeps first, we can't keep allowing the "IAM way" by subsidizing full timers by slashing part time benefits. That incites less full time opportunities and less money for full timers.

"WE" ???

You're not a negotiator. Maybe a small time agitator but certainly not a negotiator.

"WE" LMFAO.