JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[bob@las-AA]

https://youtu.be/pkLiHpjKWHc
 
http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/59980-shame-on-iam-prez-and-the-iam-pension-bosses/?p=1241577

 

[Tim Nelson]

Or maybe the union is preventing him. I guess it's impossible but I really didn't want our union to be involved with the profit sharing. If Tim is right and we don't get it because the union hasn't signed off I'm going to be pissed and from what I read from Prez there is a lot of work to be done. Weez why couldn't they negotiate this past week because they were at a seniority meeting? That's a union Fk up

Because they have to get their shiat together.

At the end of the day, they will get a ta prior to january otherwise they destroy our profit sharing. Its all about the dues.
Somehow i think the iam will screw up might even toss in some concessions in desperation. Thus far there hasnt been any preparation whatsoever from the Association.

Blowing off talks for conventions and now getting out of focus dealing with seniority issues instead of negotiations is absurd.

No focus, spin doctor updates that are high on fluff but lack substance, and too much partying.

 

[bob@las-AA]

 

 
https://youtu.be/L2gcOhdgncI

 

[WeAAsles]

Or maybe the union is preventing him. I guess it's impossible but I really didn't want our union to be involved with the profit sharing. If Tim is right and we don't get it because the union hasn't signed off I'm going to be pissed and from what I read from Prez there is a lot of work to be done. Weez why couldn't they negotiate this past week because they were at a seniority meeting? That's a union Fk up

Why is it always assumed to be the Unions who agree to schedule everything. Do you think the company and its lawyers are just dogs told to do tricks when we tell them to?

July is a very popular vacation month for Lawyers and managers you know.

(Edit) And the Union (any union) would not prevent or even be able to prevent the CEO of a company from doling out some cash.

What Parker means is he just doesn't want to do it because it would take pressure off our team to get the job done. I don't like that kind of BS myself. It's shady and shifty.

 

[WeAAsles]

https://youtu.be/VP_ni6M010w

One Union is not going to happen. After we get our JCBA $$Money$$ there's no way any card drive would gain interest from 50% plus 1 of the membership. No way, no how, uh uh, LMBO, not.

After we get our JCBA $$Money$$ the two unions will pretty much go their separate ways until the next negotiations begin in 4 to 5 years down the line.

$$Money$$ brings joy, security and massive apathy bro.

 

[Worldport]

Why is it always assumed to be the Unions who agree to schedule everything. Do you think the company and its lawyers are just dogs told to do tricks when we tell them to?

July is a very popular vacation month for Lawyers and managers you know.

They already admitted they couldn't negotiate because of the seniority  meeting. At least $950 a month down the drain trying to put these two contracts together. this should have been done prior to negotiations I hate to say  but Tim is correct they weren't prepared 

 

[WeAAsles]

They already admitted they couldn't negotiate because of the seniority  meeting. At least $950 a month down the drain trying to put these two contracts together. this should have been done prior to negotiations I hate to say  but Tim is correct they weren't prepared

You have every right to believe and trust whoever you want. If that's a multi millionaire CEO who took things from you in court over a few basically blue collar shlubs like yourself, I give up. You win. It's ALL our guys fault.

And do I need to post that FULL comprehensive proposal for you again. You know, the one our guys gave to the company that they never responded back to?

 

[Worldport]

You have every right to believe and trust whoever you want. If that's a multi millionaire CEO who took things from you in court over a few basically blue collar shlubs like yourself, I give up. You win. It's ALL our guys fault.

He didn't take anything from me your timeline is wrong he took a small regional airline and made it into the biggest and one of the most profitable airlines in the world. Throughout my years more was taken from me in concessions WITH a union then when I was non union. Yet then private jet is still  humming. All the other unions are signed just not the association

 

[WeAAsles]

He didn't take anything from me your timeline is wrong he took a small regional airline and made it into the biggest and one of the most profitable airlines in the world. Throughout my years more was taken from me in concessions WITH a union then when I was non union. Yet then private jet is still  humming. All the other unions are signed just not the association

I'm tired of arguing or debating the nonsense. I'm nothing more than a lightening rod on here for you guys to vent your frustrations or to give Tim fuel for his BS. I'm not here and it gets very quiet because you don't have anyone to argue with.

Worldport your mind has been made up for years. You don't like Unions and you wish you weren't in one. I'm not going to change your mind. Just like I don't like arguing Politics for the same reason. It's annoying and a waste of time.

Yea I get bored at work so I comment on here for enjoyment. But I've been losing that feeling for awhile now and that's why I've been backing off. When this is over I'm going to be like everyone else. I won't give a **** anymore.

 

[Tim Nelson]

They already admitted they couldn't negotiate because of the seniority  meeting. At least $950 a month down the drain trying to put these two contracts together. this should have been done prior to negotiations I hate to say  but Tim is correct they weren't prepared

Our money is draining away. Look, weasle can pollyann all day long and explicitly claim we are getting $30.77 at dos and toss in $80,000 a year as well. But as uncle donnie said at his convention last week, such peeps cant deal with the truth.
The problem is that the iam is incapable of understanding how the rla works. When they were very very close to section 6 at united, they choked and agreed to a 90 day timeline that only addressed 4 out of 35 articles. Then, at american, where we arent close to section 6, the iam has the exact opposite and illogical strategy, ie., putting the hammer down and asking for the world at a time in which parker doesnt even have to negotiate. Nothing wrong with azking for everything but the problem comes in the exit plan and how you are goin to get it when you have no leverage of section 6.

While i dont think we have to concede anything, we simply arent in any short term position to expand every article and get our chicks for free. Parker is shaking his head because he made it very very easy by lobbing up a nice pitch, but these guys still cant close the deal.

Hopefully, they dont panic at the last minute and serve up concessions. Something bad is happening with the association and we have to fix it.

Contract Now. And if weasel is right about $30.77 and additional monies totally $80,000 then thats great! But so far weasel is draining our $950 a month fronting for these dopes as their primary spokesman.
Sorry.

 

[Worldport]

I'm tired of arguing or debating the nonsense. I'm nothing more than a lightening rod on here for you guys to vent your frustrations or to give Tim fuel for his BS. I'm not here and it gets very quiet because you don't have anyone to argue with.

Worldport your mind has been made up for years. You don't like Unions and you wish you weren't in one. I'm not going to change your mind. Just like I don't like arguing Politics for the same reason. It's annoying and a waste of time.

Yea I get bored at work so I comment on here for enjoyment. But I've been losing that feeling for awhile now and that's why I've been backing off. When this is over I'm going to be like everyone else. I won't give a #### anymore.

Fair enough. We are all on here for entertainment. I enjoy when you and Tim debate, and so do you

 

[Worldport]

Our money is draining away. Look, weasle can pollyann all day long and explicitly claim we are getting $30.77 at dos and toss in $80,000 a year as well. But as uncle donnie said at his convention last week, such peeps cant deal with the truth.
The problem is that the iam is incapable of understanding how the rla works. When they were very very close to section 6 at united, they choked and agreed to a 90 day timeline that only addressed 4 out of 35 articles. Then, at american, where we arent close to section 6, the iam has the exact opposite and illogical strategy, ie., putting the hammer down and asking for the world at a time in which parker doesnt even have to negotiate. Nothing wrong with azking for everything but the problem comes in the exit plan and how you are goin to get it when you have no leverage of section 6.

While i dont think we have to concede anything, we simply arent in any short term position to expand every article and get our chicks for free. Parker is shaking his head because he made it very very easy by lobbing up a nice pitch, but these guys still cant close the deal.

Hopefully, they dont panic at the last minute and serve up concessions. Something bad is happening with the association and we have to fix it.

Contract Now. And if weasel is right about $30.77 and additional monies totally $80,000 then thats great! But so far weasel is draining our $950 a month fronting for these dopes as their primary spokesman.
Sorry.

Parker said an average of 23%. 24.39x 23% =560 =29.99 a little short of the Weez prediction. I actually agree with the Weez I think it will be $30.77 + dif. It hurts every time I do the math just to see how much we are losing

 

[WeAAsles]

Fair enough. We are all on here for entertainment. I enjoy when you and Tim debate, and so do you

I like knocking him for the moron he is except those very rare times he gets serious. No I really do prefer being serious about this stuff then I do clowning around about it. I don't really consider things I know affecting me to be a joke.

Tim and I don't debate. He just says the same garbage over and over like some retarded parrot.

 

[AANOTOK]

I would like to know what Parker meant by finding a new way or new things get these contracts settled.
 
On a off topic comment, I am completely dumbfounded as to why this equity situation is taking so long to make it through the court of appeals.

 

[Worldport]

I would like to know what Parker meant by finding a new way or new things get these contracts settled.

Me too. Maybe a more lenient cross utilization?Do you work with LUS at DFW