JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Tim Nelson]

That 80k is pay and "benefits" Tim. Not just pay. Your contract holds a lot of economic value that you don't understand. To make it simple for you I'll give you just 2 items. Uniforms and employee parking. If we had to pay for those two items we would lose value out of our wages. All the little nickle and dime items can add up very quickly. Think of the .99 on every item in the store when you go grocery shopping. If every item you put in your cart was $1.99 and you thought $1.00 instead of $2.00 you're going to wind up being very confused when you get to the register and the cashier gives you the bill.
And that also explains why this is taking so long. Our negotiators are trying to keep OUR costs down.
On a side note Tim I think you need to transfer to CLT or DFW. Obviously you're paying a premium to live in Chicago. Maybe you're there to try to get leverage in your quest to get a position in 141 from the UAL peeps? But I think it's over for you now bro. You need to get yourself on a different road. Moving to one of those two places will allow you the ability to maybe shave 5 years off your retirement figure. I really don't like the idea of even you having to be stuck at this job till you're 70 years old. That's just horrible. You need to move to a lower COL city and start socking away a nest egg for yourself. Seriously.

Lol. That was a good one. Maybe i better start working more than 20 hours a week so i dont go bankrupt. I had a union job at $100,000 total and was as successful as anyone ive ever seen organizing but i didnt need the money as bad as others to kiss butt so it was better for me and delaney that he took me off leave.

Thanks for your sensitivity to my finances though but you would be better served being more sensitive to your coworkers instead of missing flights. For your sake, nyer has your back if anyone dimed you out for blowing off flights. Smile weasel....life is good.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Fair enough Bob. The videos with references are coming.
What do I want? Same thing as everyone else, i want it all.
As far as our union, ive never been an advocate of contracting out our union's representation to a 3rd party like the iam, twu, or any other Labor organization to service our union. These 3rd party groups could care less about us.
However, unlike our pilots and stews, the vast majority of us would seem to rather contract out our representation so ive worked inside that shell to make it better for all of us, even though i still think bringing our representation in house is much wiser than contracting it out.
I think we need to stay with this association, in the short term, even though it is a complete disaster. If key people among us evaluate and want to leave the association then imo it wouldnt make any sense to do so prior to a ta or january.
As far as bringing representation in house, labor laws dictate with elections prior to 1 year but any organization legally has to have a structure and interim officers. You can cross check that with UFAA right now (united stews).
I know few who are comfortable with the association but the question could be, who would be comfortable about firing the 3rd party? Putting together a group of key people to explore that possibility really would b a waste of time unless there was strong interest from within the craft.

https://youtu.be/QejyHWl7miI

 

[WeAAsles]

Lol. That was a good one. Maybe i better start working more than 20 hours a week so i dont go bankrupt. I had a union job at $100,000 total and was as successful as anyone ive ever seen organizing but i didnt need the money as bad as others to kiss butt so it was better for me and delaney that he took me off leave.
Thanks for your sensitivity to my finances though but you would be better served being more sensitive to your coworkers instead of missing flights. For your sake, nyer has your back if anyone dimed you out for blowing off flights. Smile weasel....life is good.

I'm going to ignore you're offbeat and strange attempt at the very old tactic of say something enough times and people might start to believe it. But you keep going if it makes you happy I guess.

But if you really do only work 20 hours per week that absolutely explains why you live in a Studio and are going to need to work till you're 70. Maybe you should stop taking off so much and spending your day online? And get out of those T and A bars too. They're ridiculously expensive even if they offer you a free buffet.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I'm going to ignore you're offbeat and strange attempt at the very old tactic of say something enough times and people might start to believe it. But you keep going if it makes you happy I guess.
But if you really do only work 20 hours per week that absolutely explains why you live in a Studio and are going to need to work till you're 70. Maybe you should stop taking off so much and spending your day online? And get out of those T and A bars too. They're ridiculously expensive even if they offer you a free buffet.

I truly appreciate your concern for my living space.

 

[Tim Nelson]

https://youtu.be/QejyHWl7miI

The "union" is our collective craft, ie., all of the employees in our craft at the company. And the contract is between us and management.

85% of all unions decide to service themselves. For instance our stews and pilots service their union themselves, as opposed to contracting that out to an outside organization that will be happy to take our money. The iam or twu is NOT the union, it is a registered political organization and falls under a non profit tax code.

It is also a member of its own trade organization called the aflcio. My views have always been very public that id prefer we dont vend out our representation. We would eliminate the 3rd party between us and management and would be able to have more control over our interest.

The last ramp group that didnt vend out its union was the southwest airline rampers who had ROPA and the best contract in the industry. I still have a copy of their last contract prior to ropa signing a deal to merge with the TWU.

 

[Tim Nelson]

And the iam has pissed me off enuf where i think it may be useful to start educating peeps about how we can follow the pilots and stews by firing the vendor and bringing our representation in house like 85% of all unions.

 

[WeAAsles]

I truly appreciate your concern for my living space.

150 SF is not a living space. It's a cardboard box where people put rabbits in.

 

[WeAAsles]

And the iam has pissed me off enuf where i think it may be useful to start educating peeps about how we can follow the pilots and stews by firing the vendor and bringing our representation in house like 85% of all unions.

"Him"

Always comes back to Tim in case people aren't aware.

 

[Kev3188]

That 80k is pay and "benefits" Tim. Not just pay. Your contract holds a lot of economic value that you don't understand. To make it simple for you I'll give you just 2 items. Uniforms and employee parking. If we had to pay for those two items we would lose value out of our wages. All the little nickle and dime items can add up very quickly.

Does anybody at any carrier pay for either of those things?

 

[WeAAsles]

Does anybody at any carrier pay for either of those things?

Probably not because they are negotiated items. Do the non union subcontractors here in MIA pay for those items, yes.

In my contract we even used to have dry cleaning. (Another nickel and dime cost)

 

[bob@las-AA]

The "union" is our collective craft, ie., all of the employees in our craft at the company. And the contract is between us and management.
85% of all unions decide to service themselves. For instance our stews and pilots service their union themselves, as opposed to contracting that out to an outside organization that will be happy to take our money. The iam or twu is NOT the union, it is a registered political organization and falls under a non profit tax code.
It is also a member of its own trade organization called the aflcio. My views have always been very public that id prefer we dont vend out our representation. We would eliminate the 3rd party between us and management and would be able to have more control over our interest.
The last ramp group that didnt vend out its union was the southwest airline rampers who had ROPA and the best contract in the industry. I still have a copy of their last contract prior to ropa signing a deal to merge with the TWU.

https://youtu.be/KESZpCP8r90

 

[Tim Nelson]

https://youtu.be/KESZpCP8r90

Most peeps think the twu or iam is our union....they arent. They are a service provider who we have yielded our union's representation and bargaining rights to. Essentually our union has given the iam and the twu the full power of attorney of our union. So, we have no voice over anything other than ratifications. When the iam and twu used that power of attorney, they created the Association. Also, we have no say so over seniority because the association hired joshua javits whose interest is the association and not us. In fact, we have no say so.
Same with collective bargaining, we have no say so. Individuals who dont even work for american are in charge and dictate and decide what we should know.

If our union (fleet service employyes of american) decided to fire the vendor (the association) then we would have to establish a constitution and bylaws to take over the bargaining and representation of our union. If we do that then we would have total control and all of our interest would be #1. When the pilots fired alpa and our stews fired afa, they had to create an internal structure by creating their own bylaws. They hire professionals to arbitrate, and resolve seniority, etc and such professionals are responsible to the union and not some outside 3rd party like alpa.

With the iam, this organization very seldom even hires professionals while they service our union. They negotiate with morons like sito or rampers who are way out of their league, and they dont even provide attorneys for arbitrating cases. The iam should have been fired along time ago, they take our money to perform a service but end up blowing most of the money on things that mean nothing to members (politics, iam conventions, international fees and expenses, etc).

Remember, when the pilot union fired alpa, the union and the contract stayed, they just decided to represent themselves collectively.

 

[Worldport]

Fair enough Bob. The videos with references are coming.
What do I want? Same thing as everyone else, i want it all.

As far as our union, ive never been an advocate of contracting out our union's representation to a 3rd party like the iam, twu, or any other Labor organization to service our union. These 3rd party groups could care less about us.
However, unlike our pilots and stews, the vast majority of us would seem to rather contract out our representation so ive worked inside that shell to make it better for all of us, even though i still think bringing our representation in house is much wiser than contracting it out.

I think we need to stay with this association, in the short term, even though it is a complete disaster. If key people among us evaluate and want to leave the association then imo it wouldnt make any sense to do so prior to a ta or january.

As far as bringing representation in house, labor laws dictate with elections prior to 1 year but any organization legally has to have a structure and interim officers. You can cross check that with UFAA right now (united stews).

I know few who are comfortable with the association but the question could be, who would be comfortable about firing the 3rd party? Putting together a group of key people to explore that possibility really would b a waste of time unless there was strong interest from within the craft.

Tim, Parker said in the video the company is looking at new ideas to get us the money do you have any ideas what that might be. If we did eventually get an in- house union would there be any money for a private jet or huge "training" center. Would the in-house union back a candidate who I'm opposed to?would it be run to benefit us or ran like a business for profit?

 

[Worldport]

Just been lurking in the background reading. No NYer still refuses to meet me for coffee, tea, orange juice, smoothies, or even to split a Boston Creme donut.

Yes Tim is totally full of BS. And he hasn't made any videos because the BS is so much now that it got in the eye of his camera and he's been using his laundry basket to haul it out of his 150 SF Studio apartment where he flops himself.

Let's see:

Tim Nelson = ORD Ramper, removed from IAM jobs and positions 3 times with a possible ax to grind. Makes goofy nonsensical videos sniffing and drinking alcohol.

VS

P. Rez = Actual IAM negotiator who negotiated at least the IAM standalone agreement and is a part of our current negotiations.

Any questions?

I thought you were in Cuba, how do you say banana daiquiri .....banana daiquiri

 

[Kev3188]

Probably not because they are negotiated items. Do the non union subcontractors here in MIA pay for those items, yes.

In my contract we even used to have dry cleaning. (Another nickel and dime cost)

I've never paid for either of those at any carrier I worked for (Union or not) or any airfield I worked at...