JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Tim Nelson]

Tim, Parker said in the video the company is looking at new ideas to get us the money do you have any ideas what that might be. If we did eventually get an in- house union would there be any money for a private jet or huge "training" center. Would the in-house union back a candidate who I'm opposed to?would it be run to benefit us or ran like a business for profit?

First off, Parker is telling you 100% the truth that it isnt a company issue but ongoing issues between the iam and twu. Prez can come on all day and say that the twu and iam are singing kumbuya and blame the company but he is simply wrong and he knows it. Parker has credibility in everything he said because he did what he said with 9 other groups and 85,000 other employees. He has been fair enuf to even stand with our stews instead of an arbitrator who determined our stews to make 32% less. Then he also gave them an additional 9% when he didnt have to. Then he gave everyone profit sharing. Yet prez the iam and twu arent smart enuf to get this done, and they could care less about our money.

Is Parker shrewd, yes, but we dont have the smartest peeps in there plus when our guys blow off negotiations for iam conventions you know where their interest is.

The association is a fraud and a classic fight between 2 spoiled children (insert iam and twu here) who cant work things out and are having internal "Biatch fits"

Besides, there is no evidence to what prez is even talking about. Sorry but "cant tell ya" isnt good enuf when prez is pressed.

 

[bob@las-AA]

 
 

Most peeps think the twu or iam is our union....they arent. They are a service provider who we have yielded our union's representation and bargaining rights to. Essentually our union has given the iam and the twu the full power of attorney of our union. So, we have no voice over anything other than ratifications. When the iam and twu used that power of attorney, they created the Association. Also, we have no say so over seniority because the association hired joshua javits whose interest is the association and not us. In fact, we have no say so.
Same with collective bargaining, we have no say so. Individuals who dont even work for american are in charge and dictate and decide what we should know.

If our union (fleet service employyes of american) decided to fire the vendor (the association) then we would have to establish a constitution and bylaws to take over the bargaining and representation of our union. If we do that then we would have total control and all of our interest would be #1. When the pilots fired alpa and our stews fired afa, they had to create an internal structure by creating their own bylaws. They hire professionals to arbitrate, and resolve seniority, etc and such professionals are responsible to the union and not some outside 3rd party like alpa.

With the iam, this organization very seldom even hires professionals while they service our union. They negotiate with morons like sito or rampers who are way out of their league, and they dont even provide attorneys for arbitrating cases. The iam should have been fired along time ago, they take our money to perform a service but end up blowing most of the money on things that mean nothing to members (politics, iam conventions, international fees and expenses, etc).

Remember, when the pilot union fired alpa, the union and the contract stayed, they just decided to represent themselves collectively.

 
https://youtu.be/Vrjej8QIiKo

 

[WeAAsles]

I've never paid for either of those at any carrier I worked for (Union or not) or any airfield I worked at...

I guess you've never had any conversations with subcontractor employees then in awhile? If you don't believe me talk to Kip. He'll clue you in.

Nothing outside of a CBA is a guarantee if it's not introduced in talks. And that includes those Union bulletin boards.

 

[AANOTOK]

The Association benefits no one but the Union leadership. It doesn't make the union stronger, it doesn't get you a quicker contract, it doesn't put fear in AA, and while the jury is still out, I would be willing to bet it doesn't get you a contract that's any better than if they were never forced upon us. Having said all of that, Bob is right, they are what we have right now and nothing can be done about that. If and when we ever get a contract, the proof will be in the pudding. Two facts up to this point, voting on the Association was a broken promise, and we are way behind other work groups when it comes to enjoying the billions upon billions AA is pocketing. Those are not Association positives!

 

[Kev3188]

I guess you've never had any conversations with subcontractor employees then in awhile? If you don't believe me talk to Kip. He'll clue you in.

Nothing outside of a CBA is a guarantee if it's not introduced in talks. And that includes those Union bulletin boards.

I'm surrounded by vendors. Was before too. Same story.

Your point is valid; your examples could be better.

 

[AANOTOK]

I guess you've never had any conversations with subcontractor employees then in awhile? If you don't believe me talk to Kip. He'll clue you in.

Nothing outside of a CBA is a guarantee if it's not introduced in talks. And that includes those Union bulletin boards.

To be honest W, I really don't see the importance of BB's.

 

[WeAAsles]

Tim, Parker said in the video the company is looking at new ideas to get us the money do you have any ideas what that might be. If we did eventually get an in- house union would there be any money for a private jet or huge "training" center. Would the in-house union back a candidate who I'm opposed to?would it be run to benefit us or ran like a business for profit?

If Doug wants to put some money in my pocket it's very easy. My direct deposit number is on file. Apparently he's having difficulty locating that or my address.

 

[Worldport]

I'm surrounded by vendors. Was before too. Same story.

Your point is valid; your examples could be better.

Good example in the beginning TSA used to pay for parking, now they don't union contract not sure. 

 

[WeAAsles]

First off, Parker is telling you 100% the truth that it isnt a company issue but ongoing issues between the iam and twu. Prez can come on all day and say that the twu and iam are singing kumbuya and blame the company but he is simply wrong and he knows it. Parker has credibility in everything he said because he did what he said with 9 other groups and 85,000 other employees. He has been fair enuf to even stand with our stews instead of an arbitrator who determined our stews to make 32% less. Then he also gave them an additional 9% when he didnt have to. Then he gave everyone profit sharing. Yet prez the iam and twu arent smart enuf to get this done, and they could care less about our money.
Is Parker shrewd, yes, but we dont have the smartest peeps in there plus when our guys blow off negotiations for iam conventions you know where their interest is.
The association is a fraud and a classic fight between 2 spoiled children (insert iam and twu here) who cant work things out and are having internal "Biatch fits"
Besides, there is no evidence to what prez is even talking about. Sorry but "cant tell ya" isnt good enuf when prez is pressed.

When Dougie says that the company is not asking for concessions he's only giving out a half truth. Presenting the weakest language of the two agreements is a concession to the side that would get stuck with that weaker (Bankruptcy) language.

Again you are NOT and never will be a negotiator so you're just selling poppy coke.

 

[WeAAsles]

To be honest W, I really don't see the importance of BB's.

BB's took 20 minutes to TA. You and I use the Internet for our info. Not everyone does so yea they are important.

 

[Tim Nelson]

If Doug wants to put some money in my pocket it's very easy. My direct deposit number is on file. Apparently he's having difficulty locating that or my address.

Actually, he does. The iam has been the bigger plug than the twu. Not surprisingly, the iam reps, cb, prez, are making $125,000, living high on the hog with their families with 2 pensions, per diem rolling in, short term and long term disability, etc, so not surprising that the iam has been primarily responsible for the stall.

You and other iam pollyannas can continue blaming Parker by saying he has it in for our group alone, but your conspiracy theory is ridiculous. He wants a deal and has taken care of all other work groups. If you want to continue apologizing as you claim we are the red headed step child, then fine. But the only evidence is that parker has done exactly what he has said, even gave previously non contract passenger service agents scope at all stations with 5 flights even though they had none earlier.

Stop inciting these morons. The iam especially is stealing our money and benefits.

 

[bob@las-AA]

The Association benefits no one but the Union leadership. It doesn't make the union stronger, it doesn't get you a quicker contract, it doesn't put fear in AA, and while the jury is still out, I would be willing to bet it doesn't get you a contract that's any better than if they were never forced upon us. Having said all of that, Bob is right, they are what we have right now and nothing can be done about that. If and when we ever get a contract, the proof will be in the pudding. Two facts up to this point, voting on the Association was a broken promise, and we are way behind other work groups when it comes to enjoying the billions upon billions AA is pocketing. Those are not Association positives!

 
https://youtu.be/VP_ni6M010w

 

[WeAAsles]

Actually, he does. The iam has been the bigger plug than the twu. Not surprisingly, the iam reps, cb, prez, are making $125,000, living high on the hog with their families with 2 pensions, per diem rolling in, short term and long term disability, etc, so not surprising that the iam has been primarily responsible for the stall.
You and other iam pollyannas can continue blaming Parker by saying he has it in for our group alone, but your conspiracy theory is ridiculous. He wants a deal and has taken care of all other work groups. If you want to continue apologizing as you claim we are the red headed step child, then fine. But the only evidence is that parker has done exactly what he has said, even gave previously non contract passenger service agents scope at all stations with 5 flights even though they had none earlier.
Stop inciting these morons. The iam especially is stealing our money and benefits.

AANOTOK do you wonder why I've been hanging in the background for a little while now? I'm only giving this putz fuel for the fire he wants to start.

 

[Kev3188]

Good example in the beginning TSA used to pay for parking, now they don't union contract not sure. 

Maybe. They're represented by AFGE.

 

[Worldport]

If Doug wants to put some money in my pocket it's very easy. My direct deposit number is on file. Apparently he's having difficulty locating that or my address.

Or maybe the union is preventing him. I guess it's impossible but I really didn't want our union to be involved with the profit sharing. If Tim is right and we don't get it because the union hasn't signed off I'm going to be pissed and from what I read from Prez there is a lot of work to be done. Weez why couldn't they negotiate this past week because they were at a seniority meeting? That's a union Fk up