JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

I mentioned on this board several years ago (during the Obama Administration even) that Allegiant Air fleet service agents voted in favor of unionization, and were promptly contracted out within a few weeks. I noticed some outfit named "ATS" who had taken over the ground operations when I passed through LAS shortly afterwards. Does not strike me there to be much (if any) protection for small(er) stations for those who vote to unionize as without a contract, agents could be fired at-will.

And if that’s the case that’s why you keep going after all of the subcontractor companies too no matter how many times they want to keep changing their names. You just don’t make it worth the cost to continue to run a ground handling business.

Tim the great organizer seems to have become a little too skittish and less Gonzo than he should be.

These ground handling workers ain’t earning chit right now. They can always find another job that will pay them chit anywhere. They also need to keep up the fight for decent Airport minimums and I’m not talking “The fight for $15” It needs to grow into “The fight for $20” (With Benefits)

 

[Tim Nelson]

I mentioned on this board several years ago (during the Obama Administration even) that Allegiant Air fleet service agents voted in favor of unionization, and were promptly contracted out within a few weeks. I noticed some outfit named "ATS" who had taken over the ground operations when I passed through LAS shortly afterwards. Does not strike me there to be much (if any) protection for small(er) stations for those who vote to unionize as without a contract, agents could be fired at-will.

The Obama administration brought us record amounts of right to work. Although he was pro labor organization he was ant union member. Hammered union contracts health care with the cadillac tax. Hammered union man pensions by allowing unions to slash pensions of retirees. Stagnated wage gain. Didnt prosecute our union boss from dipping into our pension. More totals of lost union members under obama than all other presidents combined due to his globalism.
Finally things are looking up since trump had to clean up the mess, and so more union jobs created in 1 year under trump than all obama years combined. Socially, obama hammered certain cultures with ridiculous policies. Trump is putting people to work.

 

[WeAAsles]

The Obama administration brought us record amounts of right to work. Although he was pro labor organization he was ant union member. Hammered union contracts health care with the cadillac tax. Hammered union man pensions by allowing unions to slash pensions of retirees. Stagnated wage gain. Didnt prosecute our union boss from dipping into our pension. More totals of lost union members under obama than all other presidents combined due to his globalism.
Finally things are looking up since trump had to clean up the mess, and so more union jobs created in 1 year under trump than all obama years combined. Socially, obama hammered certain cultures with ridiculous policies. Trump is putting people to work.

You just make it all up as you go along and hope some of it’s true don’t you.

2017 Unchanged at 10.7 percent.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm

And if you’re going to focus on the current Political obsessions please take your conversation up to the Water Cooler where they’ll welcome you with open arms.

 

[737823]

I mentioned on this board several years ago (during the Obama Administration even) that Allegiant Air fleet service agents voted in favor of unionization, and were promptly contracted out within a few weeks. I noticed some outfit named "ATS" who had taken over the ground operations when I passed through LAS shortly afterwards. Does not strike me there to be much (if any) protection for small(er) stations for those who vote to unionize as without a contract, agents could be fired at-will.

ATS was part of TWA but spun off at some point in the 1990s-long before the AA “transaction”. I wonder what, if any involvement IAM 142 had in getting that outfit going.

Josh

 

[737823]

As I understand JB's self-imposed scope, there must be 6 or more mainline flights for the station to be handled by company ramp agents. That's according to my JB ramp agent friend which I found odd as there to be no fleet union.

That’s probably just a function of the point that it is financially viable for B6 to staff their own low wage/low benefit people versus a vendor.

Let’s face it, as great a product and value proposition B6 has especially for someone like me based in BOS, they really are strategically limited. Basically they are able to make their network work with very low costs-but as their network, fleet, and personnel age their costs have been creeping up which is why they’ve ventured into lower CASM A321s, premium transcon Mint product, and away from E-190s.

IMO their employees are right to want some protection and representation but given the IAMs track record and performance I wouldn’t wish them on anyone. Also, as B6 management points out, the IAM fought unsuccessfully to prevent B6 from commencing operations (just like they tried to stall/did not support DL-NW) yet now want to suck dues out of these poor souls.

Josh

 

[Tim Nelson]

ATS was part of TWA but spun off at some point in the 1990s-long before the AA “transaction”. I wonder what, if any involvement IAM 142 had in getting that outfit going.

Josh

Dont forget ATA and midway air rampers that were iam....all contracted out.

 

[737823]

Dont forget ATA and midway air rampers that were iam....all contracted out.

Tim what do you think the end game is for McGee and UGE? Continue to pick up more stations? I wonder what will happen when more people advance along the scale. Maybe this will turn out like Air Whilly and then Regional Elite at DL.

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

Interesting how the “Banker” responds to Tim in less than 2 minutes?

Ok yea sure, lol.

Sybil.

 

[cltrat]

Interesting how the “Banker” responds to Tim in less than 2 minutes?

Ok yea sure, lol.

Sybil.

hes not that useless dbag i could say something about Tim and josh that would be hilarious,but would likely get me some vacation time in the cornfield

 

[AANOTOK]

Are the company and Association (Fleet) "officially" meeting this week, one that will
by followed by an update?

 

[WeAAsles]

Are the company and Association (Fleet) "officially" meeting this week, one that will
by followed by an update?

Meeting this week and next. Assume we’ll get an update tomorrow around 1400 or 1500 as usual.

 

[P. REZ]

Meeting this week and next. Assume we’ll get an update tomorrow around 1400 or 1500 as usual.

A small fleet group met this week in DFW to reconcile TA'd language and assign article numbers. A small MX group will do the same next week. No Negotiations have been scheduled yet for either side. However, dialog is taking place with the company and Executive Negotiations Committee. Not sure if there will be any update tomorrow.

P. Rez

 

[737823]

What’s pathetic is the pilots and F/As will soon be exchanging openers for their first section six since the merger. This pathetic “association” still hasn’t delivered you guys a single JCBA T/A let alone one that has been ratified.

When will guys have enough and fire the IAM-TWU Association?

Josh

 

[737823]

Interesting how the “Banker” responds to Tim in less than 2 minutes?

Ok yea sure, lol.

Sybil.

So I guess you haven’t had me on ignore, I knew you couldn’t resist.

Josh

 

[AANOTOK]

A small fleet group met this week in DFW to reconcile TA'd language and assign article numbers. A small MX group will do the same next week. No Negotiations have been scheduled yet for either side. However, dialog is taking place with the company and Executive Negotiations Committee. Not sure if there will be any update tomorrow.

P. Rez

That's why I ask, I received a text stating there were no "official" meetings this week nor were there any dates set up for future meetings, although communication lines were open between the company and the Executive Committee.
I personally found this a little strange and and very disappointing.

I'm not even sure what "A small fleet group met this week in DFW to reconcile TA'd language and assign article numbers" means. I have never heard of anything like that. Must be an IAM thing. Is that just among a couple of NC members, or is it with a couple of AA NC members as well. This really is confusing and again the lack of clear information will only make the members question the Association even more. This lunacy has got to come to an end.

If we are close, say we are close and we are wrapping things up. If you are at a standstill, admit it and explain to the members the issue AA will not bend on. Where is Peterson. He comes out with this Youtube Video stating how bad the company is being, throws his anger around and states he will be back with another update after last weeks negotiations.
No threats Gary, you have earned my respect by telling it like it is and following through with your word...where are you at? We once again are kept in the dark and again only get these confusing memos.

It's time for real transparency guys, not this ridiculous, half ass guess it if you can update.