JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

Don't worry about me, I'll be fine. You are the one who put the nose into the poo poo so you could get off the job and go to FLL to destroy JetBlue jobs. I know that MIA has banished you after you unsuccessfully tried to dismantle NYer, but trying to dismantle and destroy JetBlue jobs is just going to far weez.
Some friendly advice, you only live once and maybe you should think about going back home to New York and living your last few years out in peace. You aren't a bad guy and I wouldn't have banished you, but you sorta were you own worst enemy. I tried telling you but you just didn't listen.

I'll give NYer props for getting a handle on MIA and not BS ing people like your team did. It finally caught up to your team. Your team was the team that should have won since it had some incumbents on the team, but the lies and juvenile behavior of yourself really tanked your team.

Tim smile. You’re entire life is nothing but one big Candid Camera episode.

 

[Jester]

What cities does JB have their own ramp personal at?

Bob I presume JB has their own ramp in LAS???

I spoke with a JB ramp agent buddy and said that in addition to JFK and LAS there were also FLL, MCO, LGB, OAK, TPA, PBI, BOS, LGA, EWR and DCA. That's all he recalls.

 

[robbedagain]

thx Jester Its a boat load of cities outsourced whereas JB serves thanks again for that info

 

[Tim Nelson]

thx Jester Its a boat load of cities outsourced whereas JB serves thanks again for that info

In ORD, they are outsourced as well. But if they vote IAM, based on the TWU and IAM properties at Frontier and Spirit and comparative airlines, everything will be outsourced except maybe JFK if the IAM cuts their wages like over at Spirit.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim smile. You’re entire life is nothing but one big Candid Camera episode.

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Again, worry about your own life. Focus on redoubling your efforts on your own health. I'm pulling for ya buddy. No more scares, ok? While not an expert, I'd suggest doing some long walks in the airport to help with the old ticker.

Focus on yourself and your health because you already burned your own bridge at your Local. And you have nobody to blame but yourself for that as you seriously underestimated NYer's support. You might want to think about making your way back home in the twilight of your career. Sometimes it's better for you to step back and listen to friends like me. Great picture we took!

And I don't think your health care cost with this JCBA will prevent any more erosion of your benefits.

 

[737823]

The Uber drivers is a good question. Our research suggest that these number 5,000 arnd are not associated with any Local according to a local guy. Where are their dues going? UG is now up to 1,700 in just one year. McGee passed by 1,000 as well. These numbers will grow to tens of thousands and choke mainline jobs. Remember, Josh, the United Airline contract has a "Drop Dead" date in the LOA in the back that eliminates ALL mainline scope in 2024. See Alaska Airline all over again. But this time, United Ground will slide right in as the IAM had McGee scab the mainliners at Alaska. But CltRat, Mr Baskett, and PJ don't see the "Big Picture" and only think about themselves. Sad

What’s sad is the IAM and organized labor would rather spend money and fight Janus to continue to force all of you to pay dues rather than provide genuinely good representation and servicing of the membership that you want to be an active member. Things like two hour voting windows in the early dawn and late evening hours don’t help with this.

Also, in Indiana and Michigan RTW increased private sector union membership, it’s not rocket science.

Josh

 

[Tim Nelson]

What’s sad is the IAM and organized labor would rather spend money and fight Janus to continue to force all of you to pay dues rather than provide genuinely good representation and servicing of the membership that you want to be an active member. Things like two hour voting windows in the early dawn and late evening hours don’t help with this.

Also, in Indiana and Michigan RTW increased private sector union membership, it’s not rocket science.

Josh

I wish the I'll Ask Management actually handled grievances and enforced our contract. But instead they will be tossing our health care into the fire for a cash grab. Tossing away Catering for a few freight jobs. Tossing in part time caps for more stations. Look, I'm the only one on my health care benefits so my bill will go from about $20 to about $80 buck. And my pay will go to about $33 at DOS. And I'm not going to ever be part time unless I want to be due to the high seniority I have.

The IAM pulled back from representation. They are giving the more senior peeps who can hold down full time and don't have kids on their health care, a lot of cash. But the younger peeps will be hosed and full time jobs will be a thing of the past for them after a few years. It's happening at United here in ORD. I tried telling them but they didn't listen. More and more part time. But eventually, they all will be contracted out since they gave up their "Mother Scope" in 2024. Until then, I'm sure members with my seniority will approve the JCBA and grab the cash, and the younger members usually fall for the union lies then only afterwards realize they been hoodwinked.

 

[WeAAsles]

Again, worry about your own life. Focus on redoubling your efforts on your own health. I'm pulling for ya buddy. No more scares, ok? While not an expert, I'd suggest doing some long walks in the airport to help with the old ticker.

And I don't think your health care cost with this JCBA will prevent any more erosion of your benefits.

I’ll tell you one thing there little Nicbit, quitting the puff sticks did pack quite a bit of ol pudgey on me. Got me dragging over 210 stone all around the squirrel park. The foots be screaming something fierce holding up the jelly rolls.

Walkin. Oh yea. I’m gettin some shoes made for walking Sinkeycrotch.

 

[WeAAsles]

I wish the I'll Ask Management actually handled grievances and enforced our contract. But instead they will be tossing our health care into the fire for a cash grab. Tossing away Catering for a few freight jobs. Tossing in part time caps for more stations. Look, I'm the only one on my health care benefits so my bill will go from about $20 to about $80 buck. And my pay will go to about $33 at DOS. And I'm not going to ever be part time unless I want to be due to the high seniority I have.

The IAM pulled back from representation. They are giving the more senior peeps who can hold down full time and don't have kids on their health care, a lot of cash. But the younger peeps will be hosed and full time jobs will be a thing of the past for them after a few years. It's happening at United here in ORD. I tried telling them but they didn't listen. More and more part time. But eventually, they all will be contracted out since they gave up their "Mother Scope" in 2024. Until then, I'm sure members with my seniority will approve the JCBA and grab the cash, and the younger members usually fall for the union lies then only afterwards realize they been hoodwinked.

Oh boy will you grab that cash I’m sending your way. Yep I bamboozled and torpedoed your healthcare but I did it for your own good.

And I’m fixing your retirement mess too Bucko. Oh when you’re an old dribbling lady your gonna thank me big time for it. Gold plated Wheelchair is in your future.

 

[737823]

thx Jester Its a boat load of cities outsourced whereas JB serves thanks again for that info

Robbed it’s also a boatload of cities with a single or as few as five daily departures.

Kinda like how AS has nothing east of the Rockies staffed with COPS (except DCA and ORD) and they have no fleet service outside state of Alaska.

Josh

 

[robbedagain]

Tim who handles ramp for B6. In BWI its Signature

Josh. In BWI B6 has grown to add several more flights that i think are now just behind NK. But NK ramp is same as B6 but NK has more flights than UA

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim who handles ramp for B6. In BWI its Signature

Josh. In BWI B6 has grown to add several more flights that i think are now just behind NK. But NK ramp is same as B6 but NK has more flights than UA

Ok, but what are you saying? I can tell you with certainty that if they voted in a union, based on the amfa court case, they all would be sent packing. Who wins in that???? Please tell us. And although I think Delta is too large, I wouldn't think there would be any more than 10 or a dozen stations left if Delta voted in a union, based on the court case. An airline can just contract out all the newly represented employees and then start negotiating. Would you do that to yourself? I didn't think so.

 

[robbedagain]

Tim im not saying that they cant .I just simply pointed out that B6 has grown to be just behind NK n both airlines use same company. DL uses mix of in house and outsourced ramp personal

 

[Jester]

Robbed it’s also a boatload of cities with a single or as few as five daily departures.

Kinda like how AS has nothing east of the Rockies staffed with COPS (except DCA and ORD) and they have no fleet service outside state of Alaska.

Josh

As I understand JB's self-imposed scope, there must be 6 or more mainline flights for the station to be handled by company ramp agents. That's according to my JB ramp agent friend which I found odd as there to be no fleet union.

 

[Jester]

In ORD, they are outsourced as well. But if they vote IAM, based on the TWU and IAM properties at Frontier and Spirit and comparative airlines, everything will be outsourced except maybe JFK if the IAM cuts their wages like over at Spirit.

I mentioned on this board several years ago (during the Obama Administration even) that Allegiant Air fleet service agents voted in favor of unionization, and were promptly contracted out within a few weeks. I noticed some outfit named "ATS" who had taken over the ground operations when I passed through LAS shortly afterwards. Does not strike me there to be much (if any) protection for small(er) stations for those who vote to unionize as without a contract, agents could be fired at-will.