JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[737823]

Unless there are changes to the current TWU language by September 12, 2018, STL is one of the stations that could face closure for TWU work.

Then only 25% and 4/10 stations for the LLCers

Josh

 

[NYer]

Then only 25% and 4/10 stations for the LLCers

Josh

STL is 100%, then you have 25% and 4/10/01.

That will carry over into the JCBA.

 

[WeAAsles]

Then only 25% and 4/10 stations for the LLCers

Josh

STL closing is not going to happen. Mainly because there will be a JCBA in place before then but even if there wasn’t the Company is not planning to poke the hornets and has been trying to take a different more employee friendly approach like the Tech Giants.

Besides you do realize that even 4/10/01 would be over 17 years Seniority. Not exactly chump change.

But will you ever explain why your weird fascination with TWA. Otherwise please stop.

 

[737823]

STL closing is not going to happen. Mainly because there will be a JCBA in place before then but even if there wasn’t the Company is not planning to poke the hornets and has been trying to take a different more employee friendly approach like the Tech Giants.

Besides you do realize that even 4/10/01 would be over 17 years Seniority. Not exactly chump change.

But will you ever explain why your weird fascination with TWA. Otherwise please stop.

TWA was the last integration of AA and was the IAM’s most prized airline bargaining relationship. Look at how many people from the Grand Lodge and DL 142 (still to this day) came from TWA. The IAM represented all organized groups except the pilots and we all know what a tragedy this was both for the LLCers who faced furlough and careers ended after decades of giving concessions to TWA in an environment the rest of the industry was profitable in. 700 even memorialized OD in one of his final posts here: http://www.airlineforums.com/threads/fomer-iam-pdgc-of-142-william-odriscoll-passes.59952/

So yes with respect to AA and the Machinists Union TWA is relevant. And isn’t the #2 guy at the association (Sito) a TWA person too?

Josh

 

[Tim Nelson]

STL closing is not going to happen. Mainly because there will be a JCBA in place before then but even if there wasn’t the Company is not planning to poke the hornets and has been trying to take a different more employee friendly approach like the Tech Giants.

Besides you do realize that even 4/10/01 would be over 17 years Seniority. Not exactly chump change.

But will you ever explain why your weird fascination with TWA. Otherwise please stop.

If this drags out through April, the twa guy will be replaced with baskett taking his executive spot until any further developments. Its never made any sense to me to have 2 people negotiating for lus but neither comes under the contract. Baskett will be moved to the executive spot and be given the full resources of the grand lodge.

 

[WeAAsles]

If this drags out through April, the twa guy will be replaced with baskett taking his executive spot until any further developments. Its never made any sense to me to have 2 people negotiating for lus but neither comes under the contract. Baskett will be moved to the executive spot and be given the full resources of the grand lodge.

You claimed that this was essentially over months ago and even made up pretty much a full sketch outline of what was coming. You may have even prodded (dangerously) the Company to respond to your report calling it pretty much BS and getting them to publicly display a first run proposal.

Oh and Sito is not going anywhere because the last time you ran I think you got 8 votes and he got 380 or something like that. And that was only about a year ago or something.

But it “seems” like it “may” all be over before April anyway?

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Deicing might call for a little more responsibility than BSO (not that BSO isn't important and would be better served by our own AA people).Some of the contract company's employee are um .. you know not as conscientious as an AA person would be

i wouldn't argue that at all. all the conditions (high turnover, low wages) are ripe for a company customer service disaster. from what i have seen, these people go way above and beyond what they are paid and commitment shown to them by the outsource company. i've seen them remain cool and conciliatory towards irate passengers who usually hold the wrong end of the stick while arguing or ranting.

as far as aa deicing...some passenger here filmed a deicer sleeping in his cab, posted it on youtube and the station manager here wasn't too happy. hmmm...8 hr shift plus 7 hrs OT..yeah, time for a nap. blame the hum of the type 2 motor.

 

[Tim Nelson]

You claimed that this was essentially over months ago and even made up pretty much a full sketch outline of what was coming. You may have even prodded (dangerously) the Company to respond to your report calling it pretty much BS and getting them to publicly display a first run proposal.

Oh and Sito is not going anywhere because the last time you ran I think you got 8 votes and he got 380 or something like that. And that was only about a year ago or something.

But it “seems” like it “may” all be over before April anyway?

The august AIP was legit and i still believe its active. You will see. When mx settles, our contract will be wrapped up in 15 minutes. You had one of our negotiators claim we are far away and havent even started on all the "tough" issues. Ill bet you a beer that he doesnt know, and that they will settle all remaining issues in 15 minutes after mx. It wont mean that management has had an awakening. It means all was done in august....and it was.
As far as sito....im pretty sure we are going to whip their arse and get about 70% of the vote.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

I’d take bets you get trounced

You’ve been running for District and International offices for over 20 years and you’ve lost eveytime.

Youve even stated “I’m not a politician “

The definition of insanity is doing the same behavior over and over and expecting different results.

Hope you have qualified people this time.

You had a guy who never was even a shop steward running for AGC on your last ticket.

 

[WeAAsles]

The august AIP was legit and i still believe its active. You will see. When mx settles, our contract will be wrapped up in 15 minutes. You had one of our negotiators claim we are far away and havent even started on all the "tough" issues. Ill bet you a beer that he doesnt know, and that they will settle all remaining issues in 15 minutes after mx. It wont mean that management has had an awakening. It means all was done in august....and it was.
As far as sito....im pretty sure we are going to whip their arse and get about 70% of the vote.

Well I still have a photostatic copy of your originally written faux proposal. If I find any measure of it has been truncated you won’t have to worry about Sito because I myself shall trounce you all up and down the Social live wires.

You have been forewarned Gizmo.

 

[swamt]

It's obvious they have people already trying to move the goal posts as to what can be expected. As they downplay some of the changes it becomes clear they know they will not be popular changes. It is disheartening some of the same people seem to advocate for the leaders and downplay the members for which they're supposed to be advocating for.

They try to make me look unreasonable and put words in my mouth so they can control the conversation and turn the attention away from the substance and towards a person. Classic bait and switch. It doesn't work very well, most people can read and are looking for different viewpoints in order to make their decisions. Attacking others only takes away from any substantive argument they may have.

Couldn't agree more. Don't fall for it. Just ignore them.

It's actually one week of negotiations towards new TA's.

This week will be to shore language on the agreed TA's and the following week it will be the beginning of the Scope and Economics.

Then again, failure to finish will just mean that "American broke their promise."

So one week to nego scope, and all economics? Not gonna happen, unless the nego cmte just agrees to the company wants and brings it out, and I still don't see even that scenario coming to an AIP by end of year/month. Not only American's broken promises but the union too (at least GP) is also saying they will be done by end of month.

Not gonna get caught in your trap...have a good day...TOM

Good move. He was just put out here for a reason last month.

 

[swamt]

"We’re pleased to announce that long-time American Airlines mechanic, International Vice President and Local 591 President Gary Peterson will join the International Staff. In this position, Gary will be working in the Air Division on a number of different issues and projects."

My opinion is that this should have happened at the very beginning. Will he be at the table for the mechanics? It just says he will be part of the International staff, nothing about representing the mechanics at the table.

Gary just got a gig so im thinking he got a bit bought since he got appointed. So, its more practicle that no mechanic will hold out now. Gary gettin that gig will definately move mx negotiations along.

I ask you the same, will he be representing the mechanics at the nego table? It would be great for the LAA mechs if this is true, other than that, I believe he was placed there to get the last mechanic hold out or restriction out of the way for a possible T/A to fly through the international. We will see...

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

You are way out there.

Gary is at the mechanic talks, has been since the beginning and is in the Executive Sessions representing mechanics.

You are truly ignorant.

Stick to your own negotiations, oh that’s right you don’t have any going on after five years of Section 6 talks.

You have serious problems.

 

[swamt]

I know the mechanics group met last week and are meeting this week. But speaking for the fleet service on the IAM side, I don’t see anyway possible an agreement gets done by the end of next week. Unless there has been much talk last week and this week on scope and insurance and if that’s happened, then maybe the fleet side gets hit with a lot of issues to consider for the week. I know Gary P is on the executive team, so maybe he knows more than us that aren’t on the team. But I for one would be totally shocked if we reach an agreement by the end of the year. But I’m fine being proven wrong as long as it’s a leading industry contract.

Well said CB. I agree. Just doesn't seem possible to me either. Scope and outsourcing will be huge as well as insurance, pay and other economics. Unless GP will make that happen, nothing against GP but I do not see anything of fairness being worked out in that short amount of time. Thx for chiming in on this issue. Still hope you guys really do get an industry leading contract as promised, but that means ILC for all groups within this contract, not just the fleet group, not just the stock clerks group, not just the mechanics group etc...

 

[swamt]

Unless there are changes to the current TWU language by September 12, 2018, STL is one of the stations that could face closure for TWU work.

And would that not be a concession? Loss of work at a station, or a station closure is a concession, is it not?? Just because the heads did not get fired or laid off does not mean it's not a concession. It is just ludicrous how some out here think that these moves would not be concessionary. Up-rooting and displacement of employees with forced moves or forced commuting is concessionary, period.