JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

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Again stop. The entire Airline industry outside of SWA went through the concession, Bankruptcy, merger absorption, liquidation route and you know it. Pilots, FA’s, Management NONE were spared.

You just got a personal beef with the IAM so you want to give them a bum wrap. Or you don’t like that they’re organizing a few of those low wage workers out there and they may bring costs up some.

You act like you’re afraid they’re doing better than you would have thought in their organizing drives?

The IAMs results at DL (2009-10), CO/UA F/As (07/2011), DL F/As (2015) and Boeing speak for themselves.

UGE and McGee were voluntarily recognized so there goes that point.

Josh
 
For management professionals roles they’ll negotiate a bit, especially in this current environment. But the LUS scale is trash and it shows in the types of people and schools talent gets sourced.

Josh

I can only speak to what I find on my Ramp. So far it’s 50/50. Many are totally clueless kids but they’re not getting on my nerves and they’re being very polite and friendly so I’m giving them back exactly what I’m getting.

Remember Josh I supported the merger from day one and put my money where my mouth was. I’ve yet personally to really see any reason to regret that support. (Frustrations for Negotiations occasionally aside)
 
Most of them would. Yea so what. What does it matter. What happened happened and it was a completely Legal outcome that decided the seniority issue a hundred years ago now.

As far as any drain on the Company or rather their finances. Well again that wasn’t my decision to make to purchase the airline with a softening economy prior to 9/11.

I just work for the name the stenciled onto the front door and fuselage.

WeAA how many times did Bob and Chuck explain that had the TWA vote YES concessionistas not been on the AA property the RPA would have failed? And you know their first furloughs were in late 2002, so if more were still around it would passed by an even more solid margin.

Josh
 
The IAMs results at DL (2009-10), CO/UA F/As (07/2011), DL F/As (2015) and Boeing speak for themselves.

UGE and McGee were voluntarily recognized so there goes that point.

Josh


Ok yes they have lost so far some of those representational drives. But who else do you see out there going for those BIG targets? I love my TWU yea but they aren’t going for Delta that’s for sure. And Sarah Nelson is a Labor Rock Star to me (besides being georgeous btw) but I don’t think (IMO) they have the resources to beat you (I mean them) Ford and Harrison and all the anti Union soldiers Delta employs.

This UGE and McGee thing is all a puff of smoke bogeyman under the bed. TWU represents AE and Swissport too and I don’t see them overrunning me (Yes I do see them though)
 
I can only speak to what I find on my Ramp. So far it’s 50/50. Many are totally clueless kids but they’re not getting on my nerves and they’re being very polite and friendly so I’m giving them back exactly what I’m getting.

Remember Josh I supported the merger from day one and put my money where my mouth was. I’ve yet personally to really see any reason to regret that support. (Frustrations for Negotiations occasionally aside)

Do they show discontempt to the Envoy and Eulen people you interact with and share workspace with or are they like the way you treated the MCD employees?

You helped Michael at Eulen come to AA why not McDonalds employees? $30k Plus benefits and travel will look like paradise to them.

Josh
 
WeAA how many times did Bob and Chuck explain that had the TWA vote YES concessionistas not been on the AA property the RPA would have failed? And you know their first furloughs were in late 2002, so if more were still around it would passed by an even more solid margin.

Josh


I don’t do speculations on the past for would have/ could haves. I only do what did’s.

I didn’t vote on the 03 givebacks but in hindsight I absolutely would have voted yes. Again I would have voted yes.
 
Do they show discontempt to the Envoy and Eulen people you interact with and share workspace with or are they like the way you treated the MCD employees?

You helped Michael at Eulen come to AA why not McDonalds employees? $30k Plus benefits and travel will look like paradise to them.

Josh


Your train is falling off it’s tracks now Josh. You’re going too fast and starting to wobble.
 
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The LAA has only had the 2003 RPA (which only passed because of the IAM conditioned vote yes concessionistas you brought here from TWA) and then the bankruptcy.

USAIR IAM had two rounds of concessions in BK 1 (2002) and one additional round in BK 2 (2005), so the TWU has been better and without the LLCers the RPA would not have passed.

Josh

Who brought the B and C scale to the industry in 1983?

The IAM Mechanic and Related voted down the first concessionary CBA in the first Chapter 11 and our CBA was abrogated in the second bankruptcy.
 
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Your thinking is outdated and misguided. As a member of the TWU and a employee of American Airlines, I would remind you of those FSC at WN who called in sick to attend a union meeting and got fired. They did return to work only after the company said sign this contract, the very one that dragged on for years, good news is that they too got the wages we now have, but it will take 5 years to get TOS. Getting it out for a vote and ratified, took just weeks.


The Company DID NOT tell anyone’s to sign the TA although it did pressure their negotiators to put it out and let the members decide.

They have a 12 year scale on a 5 year deal if I recall correctly. They are earning less in wages than we are now.

That group of members on the West Coast got sloppy and sadly made a miscalculation.

http://www.twu555.org/interactive-pay-scale/
 
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Who brought the B and C scale to the industry in 1983?

The IAM Mechanic and Related voted down the first concessionary CBA in the first Chapter 11 and our CBA was abrogated in the second bankruptcy.

We are all duly aware. Their was a provocative poster here before who reportedly served on negotiating committees and was trolling AA forums long before the bankruptcy, or even merger were beginning to occur.

Josh
 
Didn't Hildabeast have this big gaffe with the "Russian Reset" button as SOS? They look like friends to me. Even though she made a fool out of herself and the USA.
How about this Obammy hot mic gaffe with the Russians? "This is my last election, so I will have more flexibility". Looks like Russia was happy with that statement.


So you can't back up your ignorance and false statements that "Trump cheated" to get elected. Got it. Neither has Bob Mueller, unless your talking Manafort and Gates charges. Still not any charges on Trump. None. Nor has anyone in Trump Inc been paid $145 million for a quid pro quo.

Not really interested in who the DNC is running in 2020 for president. The DNC has bigger problems right now with Donny Brazile outing the Hildabeast and all her underhanded campaign tactics. I wouldn't be surprised if Donna B winds up in ditch somewhere when the Clinton Crime Syndicate green lights a hit on her. Ask Vince Foster.


The LAA has only had the 2003 RPA (which only passed because of the IAM conditioned vote yes concessionistas you brought here from TWA) and then the bankruptcy.

USAIR IAM had two rounds of concessions in BK 1 (2002) and one additional round in BK 2 (2005), so the TWU has been better and without the LLCers the RPA would not have passed.

Josh

I disagree. Almost every LAA employee I knew voted for it. I do not want to argue this over again, but it was the lesser of two evils and allowed thousands of employees to increase their pensions and retire with medical. Had we gone into bankruptcy in 2003 there is no telling what would have happened or who we would have merged with. Same in the bankruptcy. There is not telling what the Court would have said would be a fair contract. I think it is always better to have more control, than to have less or almost none.
 
The Company DID NOT tell anyone’s to sign the TA although it did pressure their negotiators to put it out and let the members decide.

They have a 12 year scale on a 5 year deal if I recall correctly. They are earning less in wages than we are now.

That group of members on the West Coast got sloppy and sadly made a miscalculation.

http://www.twu555.org/interactive-pay-scale/
Yes they are earning less, because of the pressures to sign and bring back the fire clerks.
 
I disagree. Almost every LAA employee I knew voted for it. I do not want to argue this over again, but it was the lesser of two evils and allowed thousands of employees to increase their pensions and retire with medical. Had we gone into bankruptcy in 2003 there is no telling what would have happened or who we would have merged with. Same in the bankruptcy. There is not telling what the Court would have said would be a fair contract. I think it is always better to have more control, than to have less or almost none.

The IAM sure did it’s part bringing on beaten down, concession yes voters. Never mind that much of the industry paid a price for all the concessionary agreements they churned out at TWA in the 1980s-90s.

Josh
 
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