JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

Taunting low wage workers who have no job security or benefits? Come on WeAA that’s inconsiderate and insensitive. I know you’re not only placated but feel well off making ~$70k as a TOS FSC but that’s not tactful to rub in their faces.

Josh

Since when did Corporations figure that workers give a rats ass about being compensated at “Competitive Rates”?

Those terms are nothing but a smoke screen shell game. They’re BS terms to someone looking for a job.

And NOT terms that should be recognized by any so called Labor Leader. The Labor Organization and it’s Leaders should always push and strive to do better than “Competitive”

Or else seriously what’s the point in being a part of one?

 

[WeAAsles]

The LAA has only had the 2003 RPA (which only passed because of the IAM conditioned vote yes concessionistas you brought here from TWA) and then the bankruptcy.

USAIR IAM had two rounds of concessions in BK 1 (2002) and one additional round in BK 2 (2005), so the TWU has been better and without the LLCers the RPA would not have passed.

Josh

Stop with your attack on TWA and the people who worked for it. Carl Ichan and BAD Management decisions is what ultimately put her under water for good.

NOT any Labor Organization.

 

[Kev3188]

Corporate America wins when leaders capitulate to management.

Truth.

 

[NYer]

Ive been on strike against US in 1992.

The members have the power to effect the operation, how do you think the midterm raises happened?

Better to stand up straight then to be on your knees in fear.

This isnt concessionary bargaining, Im being to agree with WeAAsles statement that many of you on the AA side suffer from Stockholm Syndrome.

Such defeatism, its quite sad.

Yet, the TWU side is the side publicly protesting.

You've been on strike since '92? How's that working for you? I know, I know, at least you're doing something.

We can try something different or we can maintain the same course we've been on for the last 30 years. It hasn't worked yet, but by all means let's keep going with the same tactics.

 

[Kev3188]

Dude, your posts advocate for the status quo!

 

[737823]

Since when did Corporations figure that workers give a rats ass about being compensated at “Competitive Rates”?

Those terms are nothing but a smoke screen shell game. They’re BS terms to someone looking for a job.

And NOT terms that should be recognized by any so called Labor Leader. The Labor Organization and it’s Leaders should always push and strive to do better than “Competitive”

Or else seriously what’s the point in being a part of one?

Let me help you out Weez...even for full-time professional roles those are code words for “we don’t want to talk numbers” (because they’re low). The scales for management and analysts at HDQ has been gutted and aligns to LUS PHX standards. While LAA people who have been able to hang on this long are still around they’re few and far between. Thing is in PHX they can pay dirt and still get people but in Dallas-Ft. Worth the caliber of talent AA HDQ has historically attracted can also go to higher paying oil companies, or somewhere like Toyota now that has moved into the Metroplex.

Josh

 

[737823]

Yet, the TWU side is the side publicly protesting.

You've been on strike since '92? How's that working for you? I know, I know, at least you're doing something.

We can try something different or we can maintain the same course we've been on for the last 30 years. It hasn't worked yet, but by all means let's keep going with the same tactics.

The IAM has done little to advance standards for organized workers in this industry. Concessions at NW, TW, UA, US; catering to low wage outfits like ZW, McGee, UGE no wonder it’s hard for them to organize.

The TWU is on a more solid footing, has good CBAs for public sector transport workers and is a stronger brand with a more solid reputation.

If the TWU and IAM explore deeper collaboration the TWU structure, brand and name should prevail.

Josh

 

[737823]

Stop with your attack on TWA and the people who worked for it. Carl Ichan and BAD Management decisions is what ultimately put her under water for good.

NOT any Labor Organization.

TWA has been a drain on the company for years and you know it. nAAtives have been adversely affected even with Kasher. You say you support these people, ok, well most of them would easily smoke your 05/1995 DOH.

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

Let me help you out Weez...even for full-time professional roles those are code words for “we don’t want to talk numbers” (because they’re low). The scales for management and analysts at HDQ has been gutted and aligns to LUS PHX standards. While LAA people who have been able to hang on this long are still around they’re few and far between. Thing is in PHX they can pay dirt and still get people but in Dallas-Ft. Worth the caliber of talent AA HDQ has historically attracted can also go to higher paying oil companies, or somewhere like Toyota now that has moved into the Metroplex.

Josh

There you are. The REAL guy on the other end of this internet blog site. Who I assume is a Manager or Lawyer for AA. I’d love to chat with this guy more often.

Yes “Competitive” is code for low pay and no Negotiations for better if you seek employment with us.

The reason why having a bargaining agent puts me in the position to ignore that Wall Street term IMO.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Ive been on strike against US in 1992.

The members have the power to effect the operation, how do you think the midterm raises happened?

Better to stand up straight then to be on your knees in fear.

This isnt concessionary bargaining, Im being to agree with WeAAsles statement that many of you on the AA side suffer from Stockholm Syndrome.

Such defeatism, its quite sad.

Your thinking is outdated and misguided. As a member of the TWU and a employee of American Airlines, I would remind you of those FSC at WN who called in sick to attend a union meeting and got fired. They did return to work only after the company said sign this contract, the very one that dragged on for years, good news is that they too got the wages we now have, but it will take 5 years to get TOS. Getting it out for a vote and ratified, took just weeks.

 

[NYer]

Dude, your posts advocate for the status quo!

The status quo is what we're doing. The point is we need to see and do things differently. Of se don't adapt, we're destined for the same results.

 

[WeAAsles]

The IAM has done little to advance standards for organized workers in this industry. Concessions at NW, TW, UA, US; catering to low wage outfits like ZW, McGee, UGE no wonder it’s hard for them to organize.

The TWU is on a more solid footing, has good CBAs for public sector transport workers and is a stronger brand with a more solid reputation.

If the TWU and IAM explore deeper collaboration the TWU structure, brand and name should prevail.

Josh

Again stop. The entire Airline industry outside of SWA went through the concession, Bankruptcy, merger absorption, liquidation route and you know it. Pilots, FA’s, Management NONE were spared.

You just got a personal beef with the IAM so you want to give them a bum wrap. Or you don’t like that they’re organizing a few of those low wage workers out there and they may bring costs up some.

You act like you’re afraid they’re doing better than you would have thought in their organizing drives?

 

[bob@las-AA]

TWA has been a drain on the company for years and you know it. nAAtives have been adversely affected even with Kasher. You say you support these people, ok, well most of them would easily smoke your 05/1995 DOH.

Josh

Problem is that the number of TWA FSC are so few, who would notice them climbing the seniority ladder. That kinda blows holes in that statement you made.

 

[737823]

There you are. The REAL guy on the other end of this internet blog site. Who I assume is a Manager or Lawyer for AA. I’d love to chat with this guy more often.

Yes “Competitive” is code for low pay and no Negotiations for better if you seek employment with us.

The reason why having a bargaining agent puts me in the position to ignore that Wall Street term IMO.

For management professionals roles they’ll negotiate a bit, especially in this current environment. But the LUS scale is trash and it shows in the types of people and schools talent gets sourced.

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

TWA has been a drain on the company for years and you know it. nAAtives have been adversely affected even with Kasher. You say you support these people, ok, well most of them would easily smoke your 05/1995 DOH.

Josh

Most of them would. Yea so what. What does it matter. What happened happened and it was a completely Legal outcome that decided the seniority issue a hundred years ago now.

As far as any drain on the Company or rather their finances. Well again that wasn’t my decision to make to purchase the airline with a softening economy prior to 9/11.

I just work for the name they stenciled onto the front door and fuselage.