JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Tom Talbert 1888]

TW was ruined by bad management and then Carl Ichan.

All unions on the property took numerous rounds of concessions to keep the airline in business and keep as many jobs as possible.

Ichan broke the Flight Attendant union after they went on strike, this was before the IAM ever represented the FAs.

People were trying to keep their jobs and survive.

 

[WeAAsles]

Yes they are earning less, because of the pressures to sign and bring back the fire clerks.

Bob they have excellent wages, benefits and profit sharing. In Total Compensation at the moment a TOS Agent at SWA is still earning more than you and I are.

No one voted yes on the TA to bring those people back and management didn’t make that a stipulation either.

 

[WeAAsles]

The IAM sure did it’s part bringing on beaten down, concession yes voters. Never mind that much of the industry paid a price for all the concessionary agreements they churned out at TWA in the 1980s-90s.

Josh

Airline Deregulation and the onslaught of low cost carriers flooding the market caused all the destruction within the Airline industry.

It was a boon to your everyday average American who could now afford to fly but it was a bust for Legacy Airline employees.

Did your Mommy and Daddy work for TWA or something?

 

[gulfcoast1]

The IAM sure did it’s part bringing on beaten down, concession yes voters. Never mind that much of the industry paid a price for all the concessionary agreements they churned out at TWA in the 1980s-90s.

Josh

The main people I recall who were vocal about voting no, were the people with short tempers who tended to get mad about anything and everything. They said if they were going to have anything taken away, a court should do it because then it would be more fair. It would have only been more fair (or beneficial) to management imo. The other people I remember voting no were people who were going to be laid off anyway, who were very new, and did not want to vote to get laid off. I almost see their point, although in those situations, the fewer the layoffs, the quicker they usually get back.

I seem to remember seeing totals by hub, and I think the main hubs or large cities against it were in the Northeast. Weez do you remember better? It has been so long ago, but I am almost certain that DFW and MIA were for the concessions and I don't think either station at the time had a lot of TWA employees. I could be wrong though.

 

[737823]

Airline Deregulation and the onslaught of low cost carriers flooding the market caused all the destruction within the Airline industry.

It was a boon to your everyday average American who could now afford to fly but it was a bust for Legacy Airline employees.

Did your Mommy and Daddy work for TWA or something?

Nope, just mention TWA because of the IAM and the assosciation and they say everything will go as agreed but who knows.

TWA was the IAMs most prized bargaining relationship they had every workgroup except pilots-passenger service, F/As, fleet, M&R, stores, commissary (catering) and reservations.

Look at how much of the Grand Lodge and DL 142 Leadership (some still to this very day) are TW people.

So while it’s only a few hundred FSCs today it’s still relevant history and was a very significant part of the IAM. The grand lodge is even decorated with TWA aircraft.

Josh

 

[737823]

The main people I recall who were vocal about voting no, were the people with short tempers who tended to get mad about anything and everything. They said if they were going to have anything taken away, a court should do it because then it would be more fair. It would have only been more fair (or beneficial) to management imo. The other people I remember voting no were people who were going to be laid off anyway, who were very new, and did not want to vote to get laid off. I almost see their point, although in those situations, the fewer the layoffs, the quicker they usually get back.

I seem to remember seeing totals by hub, and I think the main hubs or large cities against it were in the Northeast. Weez do you remember better? It has been so long ago, but I am almost certain that DFW and MIA were for the concessions and I don't think either station at the time had a lot of TWA employees. I could be wrong though.

What was left of STL and MCIE were the enablers of the concessions.

DFW always tends to be more pro-company.

I think your recollection is sound.

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

The main people I recall who were vocal about voting no, were the people with short tempers who tended to get mad about anything and everything. They said if they were going to have anything taken away, a court should do it because then it would be more fair. It would have only been more fair (or beneficial) to management imo. The other people I remember voting no were people who were going to be laid off anyway, who were very new, and did not want to vote to get laid off. I almost see their point, although in those situations, the fewer the layoffs, the quicker they usually get back.

I seem to remember seeing totals by hub, and I think the main hubs or large cities against it were in the Northeast. Weez do you remember better? It has been so long ago, but I am almost certain that DFW and MIA were for the concessions and I don't think either station at the time had a lot of TWA employees. I could be wrong though.

I actually forgot if MIA voted yes or no? I know DFW voted yes. Northeast was against concessions. And they did put out the vote counts. Just been a long time ago now.

 

[cltrat]

what a waste of bandwidth about 90% of the last 5 or so pages have been
all because of someone who in my view brings nothing to this thread

 

[swamt]

Who brought the B and C scale to the industry in 1983?

The IAM Mechanic and Related voted down the first concessionary CBA in the first Chapter 11 and our CBA was abrogated in the second bankruptcy.

Was it not the TWU at AA who brought the B and C scale to the industry in 83? Or was it the UAL and IAM at the same time? I really do not remember, but it was one of them two, wasn't it???

 

[bob@las-AA]

Bob they have excellent wages, benefits and profit sharing. In Total Compensation at the moment a TOS Agent at SWA is still earning more than you and I are.

No one voted yes on the TA to bring those people back and management didn’t make that a stipulation either.

And you know this how? Seems a little fishy that the FSC were making no headway for years, then a entire station gets caned, then they are reinstated with a contract to boot. BTW they caved on part time.

 

[bob@las-AA]

what a waste of bandwidth about 90% of the last 5 or so pages have been
all because of someone who in my view brings nothing to this thread

So lead this pack of wayward souls to blog nirvana. Or does a cat got your tongue.

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

Was it not the TWU at AA who brought the B and C scale to the industry in 83? Or was it the UAL and IAM at the same time? I really do not remember, but it was one of them two, wasn't it???

TWU and Robert Crandall

 

[737823]

TW was ruined by bad management and then Carl Ichan.

All unions on the property took numerous rounds of concessions to keep the airline in business and keep as many jobs as possible.

Ichan broke the Flight Attendant union after they went on strike, this was before the IAM ever represented the FAs.

People were trying to keep their jobs and survive.

The O’Driscolls, Roachs, Pantojas, etc that are/were part of the IAM establishment certainly made out well working for TWA and getting appointed/“elected” to top union positions. The rest of the membership who had their careers abruptly ended by the IAMs botched SLI, not so much. Did they go and visit the unemployed LLCers when they were in STL for AFL-CIO convention or was the focus as always on dues, politics, and organizing low wage gig economy workers?

Josh

 

[737823]

TWU and Robert Crandall

Native New Englander and best airline industry visionary bar none.

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

And you know this how? Seems a little fishy that the FSC were making no headway for years, then a entire station gets caned, then they are reinstated with a contract to boot. BTW they caved on part time.

Bob how do you think I know? And you read the story in the first place from whom?

And it was not an entire station.

Yes the members who passed the TA did cave on PT. I read the TA when it came out putting myself in their shoes. It was literally a coin flip Contract.