JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet. **New and improved 2.0 version**

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Indeed,... my point is they are not above letting this go on for years

Al I’m not going to speak for Maintenance but I really don’t believe again that what the Company is currently proposing would pass in Fleet. First those comments on Jetnet are not BS. And secondly I don’t see anyone on multiple Group FB pages clamoring to get a hold of the Company’s offer.

So it doesn’t even matter then if this does drag out into Section 6.

Your side would be an almost complete no vote and I don’t think it would even pass our side. So the math makes it pretty easy. I’d say as it stands it would fail somewhere between 60 to 70%

Actually some of this drama has calmed me a lot. It’s almost actually resigned me to the possibility that yea we may really go in to separate Section 6’s?

We’ll see?
 
Al I’m not going to speak for Maintenance but I really don’t believe again that what the Company is currently proposing would pass in Fleet. First those comments on Jetnet are not BS. And secondly I don’t see anyone on multiple Group FB pages clamoring to get a hold of the Company’s offer.

So it doesn’t even matter then if this does drag out into Section 6.

Your side would be an almost complete no vote and I don’t think it would even pass our side. So the math makes it pretty easy. I’d say as it stands it would fail somewhere between 60 to 70%

Actually some of this drama has calmed me a lot. It’s almost actually resigned me to the possibility that yea we may really go in to separate Section 6’s?

We’ll see?
I'm glad it calmed you Tim was worried about you
 
Al I’m not going to speak for Maintenance but I really don’t believe again that what the Company is currently proposing would pass in Fleet. First those comments on Jetnet are not BS. And secondly I don’t see anyone on multiple Group FB pages clamoring to get a hold of the Company’s offer.

So it doesn’t even matter then if this does drag out into Section 6.

Your side would be an almost complete no vote and I don’t think it would even pass our side. So the math makes it pretty easy. I’d say as it stands it would fail somewhere between 60 to 70%

Actually some of this drama has calmed me a lot. It’s almost actually resigned me to the possibility that yea we may really go in to separate Section 6’s?

We’ll see?
A lot of peolpe will be pissed if goes to section 6.I think they could tweak the contract (no job losses) and get it to pass TWU doesnt care about IAM health or pension why should they
 
A lot of peolpe will be pissed if goes to section 6.I think they could tweak the contract (no job losses) and get it to pass TWU doesnt care about IAM health or pension why should they


It’s not a contest when they’re in the rooms in DC Al. The TWU is not the ultimate sole decision maker anyway and really isn’t interested in screwing the IAM guys even if they could. It’s been something I’ve tried to convey on here for a pretty long time now but still seems to keep falling through the cracks.

Sure the Company can tweak it quite a bit more if they want. Question is will they? They already claim that they just added more.

Nice that our guys got to find that out at the same time as we did watching Company propaganda videos.
 
It’s not a contest when they’re in the rooms in DC Al. The TWU is not the ultimate sole decision maker anyway and really isn’t interested in screwing the IAM guys even if they could. It’s been something I’ve tried to convey on here for a pretty long time now but still seems to keep falling through the cracks.

Sure the Company can tweak it quite a bit more if they want. Question is will they? They already claim that they just added more.

Nice that our guys got to find that out at the same time as we did watching Company propaganda videos.
Weez Im not talking about the negotiators I'm talking rank and file they dont care about IAM needs
 
As much as I want a contract, I would take Section 6 over what has been offered. I am most concerned about job losses and stations not being reopened. I don't think we should lose jobs, even through attrition, when the company is building, buying, and adding this many managers. I do not think the current offer would pass if sent out. At first it seemed like a possibility, but after the union explained the 5000 job loss figure, a lot of the yes votes turned to no.
 
As much as I want a contract, I would take Section 6 over what has been offered. I am most concerned about job losses and stations not being reopened. I don't think we should lose jobs, even through attrition, when the company is building, buying, and adding this many managers. I do not think the current offer would pass if sent out. At first it seemed like a possibility, but after the union explained the 5000 job loss figure, a lot of the yes votes turned to no.
Agree but it could ne tweaked also agree outrageous amounts of managers
 
Weez Im not talking about the negotiators I'm talking rank and file they dont care about IAM needs

You know Al this is absolutely complete BS man. When I’ve explained both your Medical and Catering to people YEA they do understand your needs. They know we’re all going to be one. They know about the possibility of bumping if jobs are lost and they would LOVE LOVE LOVE to have your Medical except they just haven’t been convinced that they can have it.

The problem is maybe yea the TWU should have jumped the gun and started advocating to get the IAM Medical cost way earlier than now they have. They DID have that in the original proposal.

The problem also is people want to make everything into a Goddamn contest. I got more than you, you got more than me. Just stupid chit.
 
As much as I want a contract, I would take Section 6 over what has been offered. I am most concerned about job losses and stations not being reopened. I don't think we should lose jobs, even through attrition, when the company is building, buying, and adding this many managers. I do not think the current offer would pass if sent out. At first it seemed like a possibility, but after the union explained the 5000 job loss figure, a lot of the yes votes turned to no.


And yes the Company ONLY mentioned the 40 Stations we have right now today combined. They didn’t say squat about all the other Stations we had when AMR filed Bankruptcy and PARKER PROMISED legally to keep open if they had to force the merger.

Those Company Negotiators should know we want those Stations back. And any Station staffed by CWA currently I want us in there too.
 
For the record.

No such thing as separate TWU & IAM Section 6, it would a joint negotiations headed by the Association.

Personally, I believe if it makes it to Mediation the NMB will put Maintenance and Fleet on separate tracks.
 
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