JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet. **New and improved 2.0 version**

[737823]

A contract isn’t 100% protection, they always have the bankruptcy card.

...or a union like the IAM who has never met a concession they didn’t like or help the company achieve.

AS SEA where the IAM didn’t get the jobs back and now has that work performed by dues paying low wage McGee?

Multiple rounds of concessions at USAIS, UA, TWA, destroying careers of thousands at Eastern, SEA AS ramp, UGE, McGee should I go on?

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

...or a union like the IAM who has never met a concession they didn’t like or help the company achieve.

AS SEA where the IAM didn’t get the jobs back and now has that work performed by dues paying low wage McGee?

Multiple rounds of concessions at USAIS, UA, TWA, destroying careers of thousands at Eastern, SEA AS ramp, UGE, McGee should I go on?

 

[CremaDiLimone]

A contract isn’t 100% protection, they always have the bankruptcy card.

that's not realistic in this new era. mr. johnsen wouldn't be getting $30 million if the airline filed again. have you heard what mr. parker is telling the whole world about aa?

are you lus? if so, i understand.

 

[737823]

that's not realistic in this new era. mr. johnsen wouldn't be getting $30 million if the airline filed again. have you heard what mr. parker is telling the whole world about aa?

are you lus? if so, i understand.

Legacy as in no longer part of the company (USAIR) perhaps?

Josh

 

[The Watcher]

that's not realistic in this new era. mr. johnsen wouldn't be getting $30 million if the airline filed again. have you heard what mr. parker is telling the whole world about aa?

are you lus? if so, i understand.

The executives are always protected.

Horton got what $25 million in bankruptcy to leave.

Look at Hostess’ executives got paid and workers didn’t.

Look at Toys R Us, executives get bonuses of $14 million and workers got no severance.

So what you state is not true.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Those few older members are infected by the ghosts of 1995. This group negotiating for us today is not going to take a deal to pacify people not interested in working under it. They’re going to have to wait. As far as Economic Downturn or Terrorism I’m not going to live under my bed waiting for the Monster to show up myself.

Actually Unions probably have never been stronger in the Airline industry. They just need to coordinate more.

I don’t mind the idea of getting back what we had over 15 years ago as far as Benefits but this deal doesn’t even accomplish that. They left behind Cabin Service and a bunch of Stations closed on the TWU side? I can make a list of more but what good is it.

most are crew chiefs...getting the c/c premium and sitting in a chair for 8 hrs/5-6 hr scam cs added on to their day. these guys want the stability of a contract.

when i talk about unions as a whole being weak, i'm talking about anything and everything is considered a job action and the unions have no real arrows in their quiver to force the company's hand. even the pilots' union (stronger than us) got a heavy slap and fine and bent over after the great sick-out of 1999.

personally, i can bend on an issue (medical, c/c language more restrictive cs policy) or two, but, i expect the company to reciprocate with compensation & scope that blows everyone else out of the water. the love they take is equal to the love they make; none.

1995 was a terrible contract. we lost a week vc and the wages barely moved up. the company argued backwards (bush recession, gulf war) but knew that everyone and their mother would be flying going forward. i think those that argue to accept to the company's proposals are set quality of work-wise and money-wise and are looking after themselves wanting the stability of a contract.

 

[737823]

The executives are always protected.

Horton got what $25 million in bankruptcy to leave.

Look at Hostess’ executives got paid and workers didn’t.

Look at Toys R Us, executives get bonuses of $14 million and workers got no severance.

So what you state is not true.

Are you that obtuse?

Horton got $20 million!

Don’t let the facts get in your way! Lol

Josh

 

[CremaDiLimone]

The executives are always protected.

Horton got what $25 million in bankruptcy to leave.

Look at Hostess’ executives got paid and workers didn’t.

Look at Toys R Us, executives get bonuses of $14 million and workers got no severance.

So what you state is not true.

what did judge lane do to horton's severance? we also know that mr. johnsen is not the ceo.

anyways, what you stated is not in the realm of reality. this is aa, not lus. there is no way aa will file for bk in the near future.

 

[The Watcher]

The fine was never paid by APA, AA forgave it as the pilots gave concessions.

Also some of those arm chair crew chiefs better start getting in shape.

You’ll see them out on the ramp after the JCBA imo.

 

[ALUS78]

Al it’s not our Unions place or responsibility to negotiate for any of the other Labor groups on the property. Those Labor groups have their own Negotiators, Lawyers and Economists who work strictly for them just like ours work strictly for us.

I personally don’t see any of the other groups suffering at the moment.

Weez the compa

Not true, only the IAM, were the only group to have this insurance since 2005.

Other unions had several opportunities to negotiate it for it and chose not too.

Are you sure about that?What did tje managers and Customer service have before they went with th AA plan?Customer service had the same booklet and went to the same rep at open enrollment fairs

 

[CremaDiLimone]

that's exactly my point...they bent over; and that's the pilots' union.

as far as the crew chiefs, yes...a handful are out of control.

 

[The Watcher]

what did judge lane do to horton's severance? we also know that mr. johnsen is not the ceo.

anyways, what you stated is not in the realm of reality. this is aa, not lus. there is no way aa will file for bk in the near future.

Judge Lane didnt approve the original package it had to be reworded and Horton got it.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/...cle_78fa15a2-28ce-5140-bd84-1daacca357fe.html

American Airlines Chairman Tom Horton gets almost $17 million in merger
The chairman of the new American Airlines guided the carrier through bankruptcy.

 

[The Watcher]

Weez the compa

Are you sure about that?What did tje managers and Customer service have before they went with th AA plan?Customer service had the same booklet and went to the same rep at open enrollment fairs

All changes for insurance started in 2005.

CWA approved their chapter 11 concessions and didn’t seek IAM medical.

CWA/IBT approve transition agreement with HP merger, didn’t seek IAM medical.

2011 CWA negotiates again, no IAM medical

AA/US merger CBA, again no IAM medical.

They had ample opportunities to negotiate for it.

 

[WeAAsles]

most are crew chiefs...getting the c/c premium and sitting in a chair for 8 hrs/5-6 hr scam cs added on to their day. these guys want the stability of a contract.

when i talk about unions as a whole being weak, i'm talking about anything and everything is considered a job action and the unions have no real arrows in their quiver to force the company's hand. even the pilots' union (stronger than us) got a heavy slap and fine and bent over after the great sick-out of 1999.

personally, i can bend on an issue (medical, c/c language more restrictive cs policy) or two, but, i expect the company to reciprocate with compensation & scope that blows everyone else out of the water. the love they take is equal to the love they make; none.

1995 was a terrible contract. we lost a week vc and the wages barely moved up. the company argued backwards (bush recession, gulf war) but knew that everyone and their mother would be flying going forward. i think those that argue to accept to the company's proposals are set quality of work-wise and money-wise and are looking after themselves wanting the stability of a contract.

After 03 and the BK there really is no complete stability in a Contract. What I want is to be able to maximize my value as much as possible so that “IF” they come around knocking on my door again looking for cuts I’m not going to sweat it.

When the new agreement drops I’m going up to putting 25% into my 401k.

All I remember about 95 was all the old farts trying to get me to vote yes on it. I was in 5 months before it passed in October. Buyouts shouldn’t be attached to Contracts period.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

- it wasn't $25 million
- $17 million after merger. you're talking bk, not post-merger.

those that ghostwrite the law, benefit the most.

you said aa could pull the bk card again. have you been listening to parker? $5 billion per year profit.

those statements are mutually exclusive.