JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet. **New and improved 2.0 version**

[PIEDMONT784]

Don’t forget to add your name to that list PIEDMONT.

And I personally like the alumni of Delta house Hoover, D-Day, Otter, Boon and who can forget good old Bluto far better than the stiffs of Omega, Marmalard, Neidermeir and (Ick) Chip (Thank you Sir can I have another)

Now who’s poping open the next keg?

Thanks Weez... you can bet your Animal House 30th Anniversary Edition, Blue-ray DVD Box-set, that I'll be lurking around here makin' sure no Red Legged, ORD River Scum, comes around here and spreads LIES, twists facts, fabricates, or uses puppets!

BABU is dead... we ain't even gonna bury 'em-- "Buzzards gotta eat-same as worms"! >SPIT<

 

[Kev3188]

Sorry Weez, forgot I was in the fleet thread. As far as aircraft maintenance goes, we expect to take a big hit. Whether they want to call it attrition or a RIF, maintenance is in trouble. Many of us lived the 95 contract and experienced first hand the company version of "attrition", again that was on the knuckle dragging` maintenance side of the house. The company set everyones expectations impossibly high. It`s apparent that was all smoke and mirrors just as many of us suspected. I doubt very much that their will be much to celebrate in this JCBA when balanced with how long it is dragging out and how many jobs will be lost. The only winners will be on the company side imho. As far as any buyout, I just do not see that happening. This company has never demonstrated a willingness to offer any kind of generous or meaningful incentive to leave, again just my opinion.

Is there any talk of new (or reopened) line stations or taking on any MRO/component work to offset the work lost as new A/C come on line?

 

[WeAAsles]

Well. The IAM has a pretty good protection in the Scope and they stand to have a change to their medical whether it is going to the LAA model or having their expenses go up.

That seems like a good incentive to keep what they have as opposed to any changes on the negative side.

The side with more to gain and less to lose, on the Fleet side, is the TWU.

If the argument is that we won't have a RIF on the maintenance since cuts will be through attrition, then pushing that off into the future is also going to be the preferred action by many.

I understand and am not exactly adept at why but MIA Maintenance has grown to the detriment of other bases?

We lost (TWU) our System Protection in the BK and I really believe the only reason the Company is not moving people around yet is because it’s better to keep the status quo for now and not poke a Hornet’s nest until the Beekeepers bring in the smoke (JCBA) to begin the process of manpower allocation?

I don’t think anything really has changed in Fleet as far as PHX one day being the likeliest candidate for shrinkage as well with Aircraft being moved to LAX and DFW.

And no one is going to want to sign that agreement to begin movement but the Company currently doesn’t have anything in writing stopping them especially if talks hit a snag and come to a complete standstill. (Eventually things have to move)

 

[WeAAsles]

Brother, I can say with utmost confidence. We are way overmanned in my little corner of this operation. Our new local management team has turned away a ton of work and has all but destroyed morale. Where we used to have a steady flow of work plus RON from DFW. Now its mostly piecemeal stuff, OTS and RON from our DFW coworkers. I see a near constant hiring or job openings posted for FSC, glad for you guys. Our groups days are numbered.

Hog I wish I understood more of this to maybe give some comforting comments but I just don’t understand enough about it to really play in your sandbox.

I do try to pay attention and see what I can learn though.

 

[The Watcher]

Well. The IAM has a pretty good protection in the Scope and they stand to have a change to their medical whether it is going to the LAA model or having their expenses go up.

That seems like a good incentive to keep what they have as opposed to any changes on the negative side.

The side with more to gain and less to lose, on the Fleet side, is the TWU.

If the argument is that we won't have a RIF on the maintenance since cuts will be through attrition, then pushing that off into the future is also going to be the preferred action by many.

The current scope doesn’t allow for growth on the ramp at all, employment will remain stagnant or decrease as no new work or cities will be captured basically making seniority stagnant also.

No increase in the contributions to the IAMNPF, so the person would have to have a 401K on the US side with no match, so there is more losses and the majority of the workers are up their in age.

Neither side gains by going into Section 6, including the company.

 

[WeAAsles]

The current scope doesn’t allow for growth on the ramp at all, employment will remain stagnant or decrease as no new work or cities will be captured basically making seniority stagnant also.

No increase in the contributions to the IAMNPF, so the person would have to have a 401K on the US side with no match, so there is more losses and the majority of the workers are up their in age.

Neither side gains by going into Section 6, including the company.

The current 1 Flight per day language that the IAM was granted in their standalone agreement did come with the caveat “Until a JCBA is reached” Which at least showed the intent of the Company.

My “guess” is we will keep all currently staffed cities where mainline flys to anyway unless AA obviously completely pulls out of a Market. And I expect us to restaff cities where again we already have CWA Agents working or will be working soon. 35 Flights per week.

On another note the fear factor has been thrown out about a handful of TWU cities that could come up for grab in September. I don’t believe anything will happen to them even if we don’t have a deal before September.

#1 The Bad Blood
#2 The wasted expense of cutting only to need to restaff
#3 CWA is in those cities too I believe.

 

[Kev3188]

We had a couple of stations that were below the thresholds listed in our CBA; all stayed open mainly for the reasons listed.

It just wasn't worth the headache.

 

[NYer]

The current scope doesn’t allow for growth on the ramp at all, employment will remain stagnant or decrease as no new work or cities will be captured basically making seniority stagnant also.

No increase in the contributions to the IAMNPF, so the person would have to have a 401K on the US side with no match, so there is more losses and the majority of the workers are up their in age.

Neither side gains by going into Section 6, including the company.

Unless you know what the current proposals are, you can't really say if Section 6 wouldn't be a preferred path for either side.

Do you know the current proposals?

 

[The Watcher]

Do you want to remain stagnant for another three years?

No raises, increase in vacation, sick time, retirement etc?

 

[NYer]

Do you want to remain stagnant for another three years?

No raises, increase in vacation, sick time, retirement etc?

On the TWU side, maybe.
On the IAM side, maybe.

Depends on what we'll have to vote on.

 

[Racer X]

SMDH. LAA scope is going to take a big hit. LUS side will feel the pain losing their coveted healthcare. No one will be happy except the company.

LAA scope? What scope are you referring to?

 

[Racer X]

The healthcare is percentages paid.

LAA pays 21% of the total cost.

The lowest LUS pays is 14% of the total cost.

So no one is losing their healthcare, the percentage of cost is the issue.

LUS IAM percentage costs survived three rounds of concessions in two separate chapter 11 bankruptcies, A JCBA with HP and a stand alone Section 6 CBA in 2014.

There is no reason why the percentage can’t stay the same or meet in the middle.

This percentage stayed the same for the IAM, while. ALPA, AFA, CWA/IBT and the TWU at US all paid higher premiums than the IAM.

It seems your taking enjoyment if the IAM members have to pay more, I hope I’m wrong.

I believe the scope will be blended and it should increase work, not lose it.

There are more differences than just percentages. Coverages are different, premiums are different, copays are different also. LUS has 100% 90% and 80%. LAA has 80% and some other plans.
The other info is correct in regards to the LUS medical surviving more than one concessionary agreement.

 

[WeAAsles]

Sorry Weez, forgot I was in the fleet thread. As far as aircraft maintenance goes, we expect to take a big hit. Whether they want to call it attrition or a RIF, maintenance is in trouble. Many of us lived the 95 contract and experienced first hand the company version of "attrition", again that was on the knuckle dragging` maintenance side of the house. The company set everyones expectations impossibly high. It`s apparent that was all smoke and mirrors just as many of us suspected. I doubt very much that their will be much to celebrate in this JCBA when balanced with how long it is dragging out and how many jobs will be lost. The only winners will be on the company side imho. As far as any buyout, I just do not see that happening. This company has never demonstrated a willingness to offer any kind of generous or meaningful incentive to leave, again just my opinion.

Racer X, I think dvlhog was thinking from his vantage point in Maintenance judging from this writing.

 

[Racer X]

Racer X, I think dvlhog was thinking from his vantage point in Maintenance judging from this writing.

Yes. I realized that as the thread continued. Thanks

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Is there any talk of new (or reopened) line stations or taking on any MRO/component work to offset the work lost as new A/C come on line?

Nope