JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet. **New and improved 2.0 version**

[WeAAsles]

Without reading the fine print this must look like a decent proposal for fleet if you're in MIA and DFW

Yea like those car commercials that try to get you all excited and then blow through that fine print really fast so you don’t pay attention.

To me Al it’s always about the fine print or shopping for groceries by the unit price (Little sticker) rather than the big sign.

# 1 I’m not reading jack about the wages? Right there in BOLD strike one.

# 2 What kind of protection language are we talking about here? Doesn’t matter too much what I make if I’m worried about them knocking me down to PT (I do doubt it though)

I’m not going to lie and say that I don’t like some of the items on the poster though. But it’s not enough to sell me.

 

[ALUS78]

The changes in other areas of the JCBA, not announced in the recent email, would impact MIA by creating the ability for the airline to make a seismic shift from FT positions to PT positions, which could also affect the W-2's of many, many MIA Members by making OT and CS's more difficult to gain.

Hey thats not in the highlite sheet

 

[ALUS78]

You know the IAM Constitution discourages the practice of working overtime.

The overtime should be a job.

Not very union like if you are more worried about OT and Shift Swaps.

So is the President of 568 going to attend the meeting Thursday?

Everyone I know in a union works overtime even counts on it

 

[The Watcher]

Not everyone works OT.

And hence the company knows if you throw money at the employees you will vote your job away.

Just like your JCBA in 2008, you all voted for the money and lost 35 ramp staffed stations.

You all are your worst own enemy.

 

[WeAAsles]

Hey thats not in the highlite sheet

Until we can actually read any full details on what’s considered to be accepted as far as PT language I think using the term “seismic” smacks of being a little Shakespearean overdramtic.

And the CS changes were going to happen irregardless. The Company was not going to capitulate and frankly I would not have supported holding out forever on the issue. It was addressed and fought for and eventually it was moved forward.

Overtime was a huge IAM and TWU philosophical compromise. Bravo to the Negotiators for compromising.

 

[WeAAsles]

Everyone I know in a union works overtime even counts on it

I don’t and I know lots of others who don’t either.

They need to go home once in awhile and get some sleep.

 

[737823]

You know the IAM Constitution discourages the practice of working overtime.

The overtime should be a job.

Not very union like if you are more worried about OT and Shift Swaps.

So is the President of 568 going to attend the meeting Thursday?

Since when did anyone care about the IAM constitution?

Josh

 

[NYer]

You know the IAM Constitution discourages the practice of working overtime.

The overtime should be a job.

Not very union like if you are more worried about OT and Shift Swaps.

So is the President of 568 going to attend the meeting Thursday?

The changes in the OT language actually makes it harder for us to be able to argue to have more FT positions. By forcing the airline to hold OT before any PT can get extended creates a cost disadvantage that has allowed us to increase the FT positions and limit the PT positions despite our flight schedule. If we go to something similar to IAM language, that will hurt our ability to keep more FT positions and also hurts those that may need to OT, a benefit derived as a contractually negotiated item.

 

[Kev3188]

Everyone I know in a union works overtime even counts on it

Get better friends.

 

[The Watcher]

Full time shouldn’t be working part time shifts for overtime unless they exhaust the part time list.

They bid separate from full timers, so part time should get their OT for part time shifts before full timers.

And all you are posting is your opinion, nothing has been released officially on it.

And if you are so worried about OT, then your priorities are screwed up, they are way more important items in your CBA than OT

People need to live within their means, as the company can and has shutoff OT before and will again.

So let me ask again, is the President of 568 attending the meeting with the Negotiating Committee and Union leadership on Thursday?

 

[WeAAsles]

You know the IAM Constitution discourages the practice of working overtime.

The overtime should be a job.

While the ideal is decent and noble I’m not 100% of the notion that current member need to or should forego OT just to gain more workers in the shop.

I will agree that it should be tempered by balance and no one should be gluttonous in chasing their greed.

Besides I never did care for overt economic servitude in my life.

 

[bob@las-AA]

bla-bla

Timmy, don't think that I forgot about you, you are right, did forget to figure in double time, but still, how could you work all those hours, you know, being so busy with trying to build a better union, traveling from station to station, shaking hands and kissing babies and all. Where do you find the time and to do all of that and manage to work all them hours?

 

[737823]

In hindsight, everyone likes to bash on the TWA deal.

At the time, which was before the industry changing events of 9/11, United was in the midst of trying to get together with US Airways in a consolidation spree. In response, AA went after the TWA assets. In the end, the UA-US deal didn't materialize.

AA-TWA closed their deal, months later 9/11.

APA, APFA, and TWU all opposed it.

I seem to recall reading Crandall saying something to the effect of “they have nothing we want” when asked several years before about the merits of acquiring TW as a whole entity or by acquiring substantially all assets.

The LHR slot purchase from a distressed entity at fire sale price was opportunistic and brilliant; going for the carcass was a dire mistake.

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

The changes in the OT language actually makes it harder for us to be able to argue to have more FT positions. By forcing the airline to hold OT before any PT can get extended creates a cost disadvantage that has allowed us to increase the FT positions and limit the PT positions despite our flight schedule. If we go to something similar to IAM language, that will hurt our ability to keep more FT positions and also hurts those that may need to OT, a benefit derived as a contractually negotiated item.

And in the last two years you had more than ample opportunity to engage with both TWU and IAM Fleet Negotiators and debate or convince your positions on the issues. You easily could have attended any Negotiations session you chose and I can guarantee you would have been mostly welcome.

Even on here Charlie Brown offered you his personal phone number and you politely refused his offer?

If these issues were really a paramount concern to you then you should have done everything in your power to at least attempt to try and prevent them.

I would have.

 

[The Watcher]