JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet. **New and improved 2.0 version**

[Racer X]

He’s a very excitable little fellow. Has he always been this way?

Sometimes he says things that aren’t very nice. Bless his heart...

 

[ALUS78]

They are freeing you. Do you understand that? Do you remember the union cutting your pension in 2014 by 50%?

Tim I'll be 59 in may of course I have money in yhe 401 but a lot of us didnt or couldnt max it out because we thought we'd be gettng the pension also.In my case two pensions.At 59 its a little late to amass a fortune.So maybe I'll stick around till I'm 70 and use my sick and what are those they are offering 20 oji days .What MD is goi going to question a 70 year old man

 

[Tim Nelson]

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If they really care so much (They don’t) they’ll give you a new Defined Benefit Pension and they’d reinstate the one they froze on us in 2012.

Your an idiot. Being effed by 2 defined pensions is enuf. You need to educate yourself on the laws.

 

[PIEDMONT784]

Ok why is the company going after our pension, are they being vindictive?

Vindictive? No, they are just being shrewd business negotiators. If you have been reading this thread for the last day or two, you will see definitive proof the Company prefers the 401k because it costs them LESS MONEY. They circumvent a large percentage of a negotiated benefit with the 401k.

That's why the Company took your pension away in BK to begin with. They didn't just put a bunch of possible benefits to cut on a dartboard, and a wayward dart just happened to pierce the pension card. They selected to eliminate it, because it placed a lot of money into their pocket, while leaving you struggling to make ends meet in retirement!

>SPIT<

 

[ALUS78]

Vindictive? No, they are just being shrewd business negotiators. If you have been reading this thread for the last day or two, you will see definitive proof the Company prefers the 401k because it costs them LESS MONEY. They circumvent a large percentage of a negotiated benefit with the 401k.

That's why the Company took your pension away in BK to begin with. They didn't just put a bunch of possible benefits to cut on a dartboard, and a wayward dart just happened to pierce the pension card. They selected to eliminate it, because it placed a lot of money into their pocket, while leaving you struggling to make ends meet in retirement!

>SPIT<

They are coming pretty hard to the IAM side .Medical (I kinda understand) but pension too, not to mention catering. I'm talking fleet Looks like they are hitting TWU maintenance .Weez what would you lose in MIA?

 

[ALUS78]

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Your an idiot. Being effed by 2 defined pensions is enuf. You need to educate yourself on the laws.

TIM we are an older work force it might be hard to catch up.Dont forget 3 years ago we were making 20 bucks an hour. Pretty hard to hang with the Buffets making that

 

[Tim Nelson]

Don’t tell me. Does the sole admin have the initials TN? And does the “kook” throw people off his page if they even sneeze in his direction?

I took care of BK lazy boy. He became the 16th member banned. He made the same list you did. Reserved for trolls and others who act like idiots. The other 6,000 are decent people.

 

[Tim Nelson]

TIM we are an older work force it might be hard to catch up.Dont forget 3 years ago we were making 20 bucks an hour. Pretty hard to hang with the Buffets making that

The problem is the law. This asshat union will come after our pension even after we retire. And they can. At any rate, I can't argue with choice. But multi employer plans are the most ridiculous pension plans ever since congress stopped funding the guarantees about 30 years ago. Now, the only guarantee is $34 a month.

And we have thieves in office. Steal once.....they will steal twice. Once a thief always a thief.

 

[ALUS78]

The problem is the law. This asshat union will come after our pension even after we retire. And they can. At any rate, I can't argue with choice. But multi employer plans are the most ridiculous pension plans ever since congress stopped funding the guarantees about 30 years ago. Now, the only guarantee is $34 a month.

And we have thieves in office. Steal once.....they will steal twice. Once a thief always a thief.

This might not be to popular but I would prefer the IAMPF would make it 62 of 65 beforre you can collect it would probably ease the funds pain Id rather kow that at 40 than being told my pension is being halved when Im 75

 

[737823]

Vindictive? No, they are just being shrewd business negotiators. If you have been reading this thread for the last day or two, you will see definitive proof the Company prefers the 401k because it costs them LESS MONEY. They circumvent a large percentage of a negotiated benefit with the 401k.

That's why the Company took your pension away in BK to begin with. They didn't just put a bunch of possible benefits to cut on a dartboard, and a wayward dart just happened to pierce the pension card. They selected to eliminate it, because it placed a lot of money into their pocket, while leaving you struggling to make ends meet in retirement!

>SPIT<

Who negotiates the Grand Lodge pension and healthcare?

Seems like a very clutch gig that doesn’t require much actual work with all the holidays the GL is closed. Why can’t the membership get the same pension as the GL?

Josh

 

[robbedagain]

Josh .no .ive never seen the S80 engine covers

Swamt .i hate to say it but given that bwi lost a few ab since last summer i cant help but wonder how long itll be before the clt flights go to 738s. Half them already are . Phx has been since 2015

 

[PIEDMONT784]

The problem is the law. This asshat union will come after our pension even after we retire. And they can. At any rate, I can't argue with choice. But multi employer plans are the most ridiculous pension plans ever since congress stopped funding the guarantees about 30 years ago. Now, the only guarantee is $34 a month.

And we have thieves in office. Steal once.....they will steal twice. Once a thief always a thief.

And I guess you don't remember the asshat Company completely STEALING your pension, and then handing it over to the same US Government that lobbied to create Corporate Bankruptcy laws that made it all legal?

Besides, I thought Trump was going to fix all of this. Your party controls all three branches of Government, and the majority of States... so they are the f-ing LAW! With that in mind, there should be no way that the Union, OR the Company can EVER do anything like this again... right? So why worry?

 

[PIEDMONT784]

They are coming pretty hard to the IAM side .Medical (I kinda understand) but pension too, not to mention catering. I'm talking fleet Looks like they are hitting TWU maintenance .Weez what would you lose in MIA?

Dude, they have been coming for Catering since the early 90's... nothing new here...
the pension has been explained over, and over...
As far as the medical... Trump fixed that when he destroyed Obamacare --Nobody should ever have to worry about medical again...
That what's we were told...

 

[Tim Nelson]

And I guess you don't remember the asshat Company completely STEALING your pension, and handing then it over to the same US Government that lobbied to create Corporate Bankruptcy laws that made it all legal?

Besides, I thought Trump was going to fix all of this. Your party controls all three branches of Government, and the majority of States... so they are the f-ing LAW! With that in mind, there should be no way that the Union, OR the Company can EVER do anything like this again... right? So why worry?

Sorry, im not a republican, but congress has failed. It was very disappointing that President Obama changed the multi employer pension law to allow unions to ruthlessly go after retirees and slash retiree pension. And his failure to increase pbgc funding. I doubt Trump listens to martinez plea of help.

 

[WeAAsles]

They are coming pretty hard to the IAM side .Medical (I kinda understand) but pension too, not to mention catering. I'm talking fleet Looks like they are hitting TWU maintenance .Weez what would you lose in MIA?

Not sure exactly what we could lose. We obviously don’t deice and we don’t have catering either but there could be a ripple effect if losing that work systemwide compels the company to align “Human Resources” where they feel it’s needed or could better support their overall numbers? Meaning bumping still could occur even if they guarantee all a job (somewhere)

But to be fair yes buyouts would smooth those numbers down depending on how many jump in to grab it.