JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet. **New and improved 2.0 version**

[NYer]

No offense, and I haven't been sitting at the table, but that sounds like a great deal still unresolved. Four of those issues would be on most people's Top 5 in terms of importance (wages, obviously, being #1 or #2). So much for the March T.A. many predicted.

Most of the heavy lifting is yet to come.

Wouldn't be surprises if this gets close to the September amenable date of the TWU and IAM stand alone CBA's before a resolution.

 

[WeAAsles]

Bob they’re challenging your math again man? It’s like they just got to poke that hornets nest.

 

[WeAAsles]

No offense, and I haven't been sitting at the table, but that sounds like a great deal still unresolved. Four of those issues would be on most people's Top 5 in terms of importance (wages, obviously, being #1 or #2). So much for the March T.A. many predicted.

Wages should be easy as there’s a template to go by comparing to the UAL agreement adding a higher percentage for a cut in PS.

Vacation weeks (Easy)
Duration of Agreement (Easy)
Insurance and Retirement expenses (The ball is in the weeds)
Scope (That’s got some Drama to it)

 

[bob@las-AA]

Bob they’re challenging your math again man? It’s like they just got to poke that hornets nest.

He has a Joe Satriani type of vibe.

 

[Kev3188]

[1]. A total of 4 FSC were on the list for stations that were closed, although these individuals are out on leave or IOD ( i.e.injured on duty) were excluded from the total population FSC employed at LAA.

Those people don't have to exercise their seniority until after they return to full duty, correct?

 

[WeAAsles]

American Derails Negotiations:

In this period between scheduled negotiating sessions, the Association leadership met with American Airlines management principals in the hope of better understanding each other’s position on the outstanding issues that need to be resolved in order to conclude negotiations. Significant issues, including wages, job scope protection, pensions and medical benefits remain open.

The Association entered these meetings expecting to set the stage to conclude negotiations in our next full negotiating session. If American management had that same goal, a tentative agreement to present to you for your consideration and vote would have been close. Unfortunately, American management had a different plan.

American Airlines Executive Vice President Steven Johnsen, who had never participated in a single negotiating session since opening proposals were shared more than two years ago, led the discussions for the company. Johnsen’s presence not only failed to bring us closer to an agreement, but he single handedly derailed the significant and steady progress that both sides had been making in these negotiations. As a result of Johnsen injecting himself in the process, we are now further away from a tentative agreement than we were a month ago.

Johnsen, who American Airlines paid more than $30 million over the last four years, delivered the message that American could not afford to provide proper healthcare, job security and retirement income for Association members.

In discussing profit sharing, he said no improvements were possible. This completely contradicts CEO Doug Parker who acknowledged American’s sub-par profit sharing scheme in a discussion with employees on January 18, 2018 and said it had to be improved in negotiations.

American Airlines is demanding that legacy US Airways members lose the healthcare that they earned through a strike and which has survived two bankruptcies. The Association’s position is that the better healthcare should be extended to cover all Association members, the cost of which would be less than the annual compensation of the carrier’s top three officers.

Johnsen also refused to discuss defined benefit pensions for Association members. Instead, he wants to mandate major employee concessions when the airline is making more than $3 billion a year in pre-tax profits.

Negotiating is a process where both parties engage in discussions to reach a common agreement. There must be give and take from both sides. Steven Johnsen is not interested in negotiating. He is not interested in agreement. He is only interested in the Association acquiescing to his will. The Association, however, responded to his demands appropriately, which resulted in Johnsen having a tantrum, leaving his other company negotiators in the lurch and storming out of the room.

Steven Johnsen’s presence has marked a dramatic shift from the productive discussions we had been having with American’s experienced negotiators. In these meetings Johnsen displayed a unique combination of arrogance and ignorance that will prevent us from reaching an agreement.

The entire Association negotiating committee will meet next week in Washington, D.C. to discuss the sudden and insulting shift American has taken. We will also discuss the coordinated mobilization of the Association’s more than 30,000 members in response to Steven Johnsen’s deliberate sabotaging of your career, your future and your contract negotiations.

The Association is committed to quickly concluding negotiations. But we must have a willing partner across the table to do so.

Fraternally,
Alex Garcia,
TWU International Executive Vice President
TWU/IAM Association Director

Sito Pantoja
IAM General Vice President
TWU/IAM Association Vice Director

 

[bob@las-AA]

Those people don't have to exercise their seniority until after they return to full duty, correct?

Yes.

 

[737823]

So if the company is resisting the loser IAMNPF and ramming IAMNPF down LAAs throats to bail the troubled fund out was the plan all along can’t they dissolve the association and have the IAM honor the process and step aside like they with the sCO F/As, after AirTran, after TWA, and after multiple decertifications at Delta in fall 2010?

Josh

 

[robbedagain]

WeAA that definitely proves Tim is wrong in that LUS folks lost healthcare as the Association is fighting to keep it. And that letter at least in my opinion tells me that no there is no deal just as CB n or Prez said both of which contradicts Tim assertion that Fleet already had deal in place n were waiting for mechanic n related

 

[The Watcher]

How can this be?

BABU said you were done?

 

[Traymark]

Can we ALL now agree:

We've been getting played from day 1.

 

[cltrat]

How can this be?

BABU said you were done?

Because BABU is as full of chit as a Christmas goose
Nelson is only interested in insulting members here and spreading whatever lies he sees fit in hopes of getting 20% of the vote instead of the 10% or so he’s at now which is an optimistic guess

 

[WeAAsles]

WeAA that definitely proves Tim is wrong in that LUS folks lost healthcare as the Association is fighting to keep it. And that letter at least in my opinion tells me that no there is no deal just as CB n or Prez said both of which contradicts Tim assertion that Fleet already had deal in place n were waiting for mechanic n related

I think I tried to say awhile back that the TWU was supporting the continuation of the LUS Medical. It wasn’t just me (lol) as some people liked to think.

And I believe it was Alex Garcia himself who wrote that letter BTW?

 

[WeAAsles]

Because BABU is as full of chit as a Christmas goose
Nelson is only interested in insulting members here and spreading whatever lies he sees fit in hopes of getting 20% of the vote instead of the 10% or so he’s at now which is an optimistic guess

rat let’s try not to derail the information put out today by giving Nelson attention and in return a reason for him to come here and rant insanely.

 

[WeAAsles]

Looking at this guys Bio here it really doesn’t seem to me like he had any business whatsoever stepping in to the Negotiations? My guess is (arrogance) he thought after the others under him did all the hard work he’d be the guy to come in, close the deal, and take the credit for the work.

This is how the Business World does things.