JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet. **New and improved 2.0 version**

[gulfcoast1]

In multiple LAA cities I’ve seen TWU reps both Fleet and Maintenance hammer both Parker and Isom. (Not TWU 568 Fleet MIA though)

And TWU has also engaged in multiple protests and Local Ad campaigns and TV News blasts.

My post was directed at all Local Presidents/Leaders excluding DFW and TUL, not just TWU and Not just the negotiators. Although Fa has not gone, the other local elected officials in 513 have made regular appearances at the meetings. And having to ask many times directly to CB and PRez and not receive a reply is messed up.

 

[WeAAsles]

Really? I had no idea. Yes that was sarcasm. That is not what I said and since you seem to delight in splitting hairs I suggest you go back and read my post. I edited after you read it, but even before the edits it should have been clear.

I said I agreed with Weez that when they went to MIA, the MIA president should have stood up like a man and said something. The absence of the local president was pathetic. smh. smdh. But don't feel too bad. Other than the guys in DFW and TUL, challenging the company on the lack of an industry leading contract does not seem to be high on the list of any local president-Negotiating Team or Not. Especially the president on MIA.

Don’t let anyone kid you.

The TWU is an Autonomous Union and I’m 100% positive if conducted in a Professional manner that not one TWU Executive would have any problem with the MIA President or any other Presidents for that matter standing up and making their voice heard.

The ones who are in town and not away on UB just “chose” not to.

 

[gulfcoast1]

Don’t let anyone kid you.

The TWU is an Autonomous Union and I’m 100% positive if conducted in a Professional manner that not one TWU Executive would have any problem with the MIA President or any other Presidents for that matter standing up and making their voice heard.

The ones who are in town and not away on UB just “chose” not to.

Which is my point to all of the local presidents who post on here. If you cannot be bothered to show up when the execs hit your city, or send your next in line, just save the pull together, fight together unity stuff. If you cannot be bothered to take an hour from your day, or send your vp or next in line, you are being hypocritical.

 

[P. REZ]

You seem like a nice guy but reading this makes me mad because it comes across as hypocritical to me.

Yes! Let's stick together. That sounds great now please take your own advice. Don't tell me/we/us to stick together when the IAM negotiators cannot seem to be bothered by showing up at quarterly earnings meetings and showing up to town halls in your cities. With no negotiations scheduled you should have open schedules right? Even when you were in negotiations how hard was it to send another official from your local to say, "I am here for PRez, CB, etc. to ask when we are going to be offered the industry-leading contract you promised." How hard is that? Must be very hard because I have not seen a lot of fight outside of the negotiating room. I like to think there is fight going on there, but if you cannot show those of us who are on your side that you are fighting, then I have a hard time believing you are taking it seriously.

We are the easy part! You don't have to convince us you are fighting! We want you to fight. If you can't bother to show up to these public events then stop asking me to join you and fight. The least you could do is show up. Wait, the least you could do is answer my previous questions posted here on whether you will show up and and ask management at these events where our contract is.

I do not like to think Tim may be right but are IAM leaders keeping this from happening? Stop asking me to join you or fight or whatever if you cannot bother to show association members you are doing so.

This goes for the TWU presidents who do the same. As Weez mentioned we did not see the Fleet President in MIA show up at that town hall either.

Until I see this I will think an industry leading contract is not too high on any local president's list whether that be TWU or IAM.

And just to avoid any possible confusion. I am not saying rush and get us a bad contract. I am saying the negotiating team and all presidents, whether they are negotiating or not, should show up at these jetnet televised events and ask where our industry leading contract is. If I were an elected official for either union, I would not wait to see if one of my members might go and bring it up. Get it together and show us you mean business please.

gulfcoast1,

I hear you! I, however, will not telegraph on social media anything. FYI, I don't read every single post on here, I skip through most of it but try to see as much as possible.

P. Rez

 

[NYer]

Really? I had no idea. Yes that was sarcasm. That is not what I said and since you seem to delight in splitting hairs I suggest you go back and read my post. I edited after you read it, but even before the edits it should have been clear.

I said I agreed with Weez that when they went to MIA, the MIA president should have stood up like a man and said something. The absence of the local president was pathetic. smh. smdh. But don't feel too bad. Other than the guys in DFW and TUL, challenging the company-on camera-regarding the lack of an industry leading contract does not seem to be high on the list of any local president-Negotiating Team or Not.

Understand your point, but the Association has spoken on the subject and they're the governing body on Negotiations. Local Presidents shouldn't get involved in those conversations unless it is as part of a planned effort.

Aside from that, the questions you raise have been brought up by many Members in several Town Halls and even throughout a summer of protests.

You may disagree, but I'm sure your sentiments have been shared directly with those in the room that do the actual negotiating and are well aware of the Association position.

 

[WeAAsles]

Understand your point, but the Association has spoken on the subject and they're the governing body on Negotiations. Local Presidents shouldn't get involved in those conversations unless it is as part of a planned effort.

Aside from that, the questions you raise have been brought up by many Members in several Town Halls and even throughout a summer of protests.

You may disagree, but I'm sure your sentiments have been shared directly with those in the room that do the actual negotiating and are well aware of the Association position.

I don’t think even your most seasoned Politician could have said it any better than you just did right here.

Have you kissed any babies lately?

 

[gulfcoast1]

Understand your point, but the Association has spoken on the subject and they're the governing body on Negotiations. Local Presidents shouldn't get involved in those conversations unless it is as part of a planned effort.

Aside from that, the questions you raise have been brought up by many Members in several Town Halls and even throughout a summer of protests.

You may disagree, but I'm sure your sentiments have been shared directly with those in the room that do the actual negotiating and are well aware of the Association position.

If you know the president of Local 568 please pass on that if he is too busy to stand up for his Fleet members, and is content to rely on un-elected members from a a different local, perhaps he is not the best fit for the job. smh smdh.

 

[gulfcoast1]

gulfcoast1,

I hear you! I, however, will not telegraph on social media anything. FYI, I don't read every single post on here, I skip through most of it but try to see as much as possible.

P. Rez

I have a private message box here also, and I was not just talking about future plans. Missing the town halls and pickets during the last year sadly proves my point. But thank you for at least replying to my message. My point still stands and I am afraid you should not expect a whole lot of fight from us if many of you cannot show us the fight in you.

 

[NYer]

Don’t let anyone kid you.

The TWU is an Autonomous Union and I’m 100% positive if conducted in a Professional manner that not one TWU Executive would have any problem with the MIA President or any other Presidents for that matter standing up and making their voice heard.

The ones who are in town and not away on UB just “chose” not to.

Just so we're clear. You wouldn't have an issue if a Local President inserted themselves in an Association matter to speak about negotiations directly with an airline Executive?

 

[WeAAsles]

Just so we're clear. You wouldn't have an issue if a Local President inserted themselves in an Association matter to speak about negotiations directly with an airline Executive?

No honestly I would not. I would of course run it past Alex and Mike first to make sure what I was going to say was cool with them just as a common courtesy and then I would let er rip.

Gary may now be an International rep but he didn’t seem to have a problem tearing into Doug.

Stop playing everything so safe in life NYer. Go get your hands a little dirty.

 

[NYer]

If you know the president of Local 568 please pass on that if he is too busy to stand up for his Fleet members, and is content to rely on un-elected members from a a different local, perhaps he is not the best fit for the job. smh smdh.

His Members choose who fits their needs and being in MIA I can tell you their perspective is different than most other stations because they don't feel they're facing as many negatives as others, including those in GSE and Facilities in MIA.

 

[737823]

Tim:
Would Weez and others in the hubs support getting Eagle handling at hubs even if it meant losing a few small stations?

My thinking is this...at PHL/CLT/PHX much of that work Piedmont which is barred from no raid clause and the IAM/TWU don’t get any dues from that work. At LAA hubs it’s Envoy (plain vanilla TWU) and therefore the IAM doesn’t get to collect anything there. Small stations that are to remain staffed will be comensurate to the association agreement. You think many would support the company in bringing Eagle handling at hubs to mainline even if it kills small stations like SJU, SAT, STL, BDL, PVD, etc?

Josh

 

[NYer]

No honestly I would not. I would of course run it past Alex and Mike first to make sure what I was going to say was cool with them just as a common courtesy and then I would let er rip.

Gary may now be an International rep but he didn’t seem to have a problem tearing into Doug.

Stop playing everything so safe in life NYer. Go get your hands a little dirty.

Gary is fortunate enough to be on the Executive Committee and speaks from first hand knowledge of what has been and not been discussed That gives him a unique perspective.

If the Association decides to make a concerted effort to address the Executives in that forum and we're all afforded the proper information then that's the process we'll use.

A Local President talking about a local issue in that forum could hurt as much as most believe it helps.

 

[WeAAsles]

His Members choose who fits their needs and being in MIA I can tell you their perspective is different than most other stations because they don't feel they're facing as many negatives as others, including those in GSE and Facilities in MIA.

I’m a MIA Member and I face negatives every single day this continues to drag on. My negatives apparently aren’t being considered by either my Local President or the 568 Executive Board if they can’t even feel bothered to attend the Roadshow much less actually speak for me.

But hey at least they gave out some more shirts the other day. Hallelujah.

 

[WeAAsles]

A Local President taking about a local issue in that forum could hurt as much as most believe it helps.

Again that President should consider maybe getting his hands a little dirty like I proudly saw the Fleet Reps do in DFW a few weeks back.

But then again DFW has always had more of a history of not being afraid to stand up for itself I guess.