JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet. **New and improved 2.0 version**

[NYer]

Irrelevant. AGAIN provide me verifiable documentation that the NMB can force any Labor organization to put an AIP out for a vote to its general Membership?

Perhaps you need to view things the other way. The NMB could schedule even more talks for any group who hasn’t come to a deal knowing that the others have concluded and are waiting for their last Brothers and Sisters to join them?

They don't care.

If one group reaches a deal they will push for a vote because it lays pressure on the other groups.

You don't believe it? Doesn't matter to me.

 

[NYer]

This is from a good old friend of this board NYer.

“TWA, UA, NW and US during mediation under section 6 some groups were done and the IAM didn’t announce or bring any of the TAs out until every single group had a TA.

Happened in 2014 with Ramp and Maintenance and CB and Rez can back you up on that fact.

And if AA and the Association were in Section 6 mediation both parties can agree to meet and negotiate without the mediator present.

He is giving the mediator too much power and roles they don’t fill.

There Job is to facilitate not negotiate.”

Who was in mediation in 2014?

 

[WeAAsles]

They don't care.

If one group reaches a deal they will push for a vote because it lays pressure on the other groups.

You don't believe it? Doesn't matter to me.

Ok push. Yes I can agree 100% that they would push. That’s their job to push and get it done.

But also if they have experience or have been informed that it’s not the direction the Association is willing to take how hard they push becomes the question.

Look NYer I’ve never said it’s impossible that the groups don’t go their separate ways at some point in History if this is dragging on ridiculously. Say one group has their feet on Venus and the other groups begin to think they’re getting ridiculous.

But I think right now we’re still a long way off from that point as you’ll find out as you attend more and more meetings.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Ok push. Yes I can agree 100% that they would push. That’s their job to push and get it done.

But also if they have experience or have been informed that it’s not the direction the Association is willing to take how hard they push becomes the question.

Look NYer I’ve never said it’s impossible that the groups don’t go their separate ways at some point in History if this is dragging on ridiculously. Say one group has their feet on Venus and the other groups begin to think they’re getting ridiculous.

But I think right now we’re still a long way off from that point as you’ll find out as you attend more and more meetings.

It will drag on till at least April 2019. Only question was if Alex would submit.
Afterwards, Sito will sign and give up lus health. He simply is covering his own ass.

 

[WeAAsles]

Who was in mediation in 2014?

Ramp and Maintenance at USAIRWAYS. As a matter of fact I believe it was Maintenance who had a deal struck first and waited for the ramp to catch up.

Unfortunately my friend can’t get on here to once again cover all this stuff that has been told here over and over about 1000 times on Forums.

 

[WeAAsles]

Every single section 6 negotiation EVER at Usair where the iam represented multiple groups, it negotiated entirely separately and didnt agree to wait for the other craft, except the last one.
The only other time all crafts stuck together to wait on eachother was in a non section 6 negotiation in bankruptcy wheren the iam stipulated that if either iam group failed to ratify then no ratification would be valid. However, fleet ratified while mx didnt and the iam flipped and decided to keep the ratified fleet contract.
Even at United, the iam represented 5 crafts but decided WITH the company to only tie in fleet, stores, pce, but bargain different timetables for the simulators and food service. But in the United case, the NMB also forced the iam to bargain fleet and stores together since they both were under the exact same book. NYer is right. There simply exists no evidence to support your claim.

Further, i guess unless the company agreed to expedited talks (strong possibility) im not sure the NMB would really get involved in section 6 for quite some time.

All this said, i also dont think the company will buck the union's desire to negotiate all groups with the same timetable.

700UW just informed me that you’re wrong about USAIRWAYS. You’ve always come out together since your first Fleet contract in 99.

And you weren’t organized as long as UAL who may not view Negotiations the same as US did.

 

[WeAAsles]

Which is why after 5.5-years the mediator said get it done, I think she might have given us one more month, then would have put us in the penalty box for 6months or more, like last year. Regardless how it comes out, it's good for the membership to decide.

TWU was given that ultimatum back before the BK and a group of our Presidents capitulated to their bidding and accepted a TA that they didn’t agree with.

They then informed Jim Little of what happened and Little then pulled the TA back off the table.

Again all I have ever maintained is that the NMB cannot FORCE you to accept a deal. They can stonewall you inside the process forever obviously but they still can’t force you to capitulate.

 

[WeAAsles]

It will drag on till at least April 2019. Only question was if Alex would submit.
Afterwards, Sito will sign and give up lus health. He simply is covering his own ass.

Behave yourself.

You don’t know any of our TWU reps and I don’t think you know much about any of your own reps either really.

But you do a spectacular job in making chit up I have to admit.

 

[NYer]

Ramp and Maintenance at USAIRWAYS. As a matter of fact I believe it was Maintenance who had a deal struck first and waited for the ramp to catch up.

Unfortunately my friend can’t get on here to once again cover all this stuff that has been told here over and over about 1000 times on Forums.

The reason you're wrong so often is because of your over reliance of second hand information and taking that information out of context.

You ignore the reason why some groups can come out together and others can't. It's been explained but you ignore it because you want to believe someone else and completely disregard all other information.

Things change over the years, circumstances change, priorities change, there are unique aspects to certain things but you choose to ignore that as you make your assessment and you're usually wrong because of it.

Working so hard to prove me wrong has blinded you to be able to reason.

Just ignore my posts and go about your biased business.

 

[WeAAsles]

The reason you're wrong so often is because of your over reliance of second hand information and taking that information out of context.

You ignore the reason why some groups can come out together and others can't. It's been explained but you ignore it because you want to believe someone else and completely disregard all other information.

Things change over the years, circumstances change, priorities change, there are unique aspects to certain things but you choose to ignore that as you make your assessment and you're usually wrong because of it.

Working so hard to prove me wrong has blinded you to be able to reason.

Just ignore my posts and go about your biased business.

Actually the post you tagged of mine I remember 100% because I was back here on Forums and remembered it and had already made contacts within the IAM who told me the Mechanics had agreed and were waiting for Fleet to finish.

The two groups as I recall were not that far apart.

BTW you haven’t provided any information. All you have been doing is inserting your own speculations into the conversation. I’m actually continuing to wait patiently for that information I keep asking you to provide over and over and over and over and over and over?

Well? Where is it?

 

[WeAAsles]

The reason you're wrong so often is because of your over reliance of second hand information and taking that information out of context.

You ignore the reason why some groups can come out together and others can't. It's been explained but you ignore it because you want to believe someone else and completely disregard all other information.

Things change over the years, circumstances change, priorities change, there are unique aspects to certain things but you choose to ignore that as you make your assessment and you're usually wrong because of it.

Working so hard to prove me wrong has blinded you to be able to reason.

Just ignore my posts and go about your biased business.

BTW NYer your former experiences between the Fleet and Maintenance groups within the TWU are quite different today than they were in the past under Jim Little and other former International Presidents.

Bridges have been built and fences are mending. I actually look forward to hearing about your continued activity within our Union finally and maybe you learning what changes have occurred since you were last active.

When will you begin the COPE drawings again and reengage Politically with the rest of the group?

 

[Tim Nelson]

700UW just informed me that you’re wrong about USAIRWAYS. You’ve always come out together since your first Fleet contract in 99.

And you weren’t organized as long as UAL who may not view Negotiations the same as US did.

700 is wrong. Period. Fleet never had to wait on nd except with 2014 when they all signed. Also, with all the amfa wave from 2000-2010, the mx would have voted the iam out if the mx waited on fleet. Never happened!

But so what.
The nmb isnt going to insist squat. Mediation wont even be involved except with expedited as NYer seemed to allude to.

 

[Tim Nelson]

BTW NYer your former experiences between the Fleet and Maintenance groups within the TWU are quite different today than they were in the past under Jim Little and other former International Presidents.

Bridges have been built and fences are mending. I actually look forward to hearing about your continued activity within our Union finally and maybe you learning what changes have occurred since you were last active.

When will you begin the COPE drawings again and reengage Politically with the rest of the group?

Btw, i saw like 2 fleet service in parker Mia video town hall. Mx showed up in force. You are fake. Where were you?

 

[WeAAsles]

700 is wrong. Period. Fleet never had to wait on nd except with 2014 when they all signed. Also, with all the amfa wave from 2000-2010, the mx would have voted the iam out if the mx waited on fleet. Never happened!

But so what.
The nmb isnt going to insist squat. Mediation wont even be involved except with expedited as NYer seemed to allude to.

Who’s NYer? BTW who the hell are you?

I think NYer might have just been added to the Fleet Negotiating Committee and as for you, you’re just a guy who makes things up as you go along.

Oh and more than likely except for 2014 you’ve probably been the ones having to wait not the other way around.

And I’m sorry but you do have to realize that 700 is always going to be far more credible than you.

 

[WeAAsles]

Btw, i saw like 2 fleet service in parker Mia video town hall. Mx showed up in force. You are fake. Where were you?

Why are you asking me? I’ve been there twice and the first time I was even the first one to speak sitting right in the front row.

I would think you would like to know where was the TWU MIA Fleet President Sidney Jimenez?

Don’t you think the President who is being compensated by his members should have at least made a showing even if he didn’t want to stand out or up?