JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet. **New and improved 2.0 version**

[Tim Nelson]

CB-- This is the "Collective Intelligence" that the Company, and some of the naysayers here refuse to acknowledge...
i can't see a lot of folks in Catering voting yes... that alone kills any 95% prediction!

Everyone votes based on where they stand. CLT didnt care when the loss of 80 stations happened nor did they care when they voted to wipe out pay for non hub stations. Nothing against members voting from their own perspective because i dont know 2 people in ord, and we have 1500, that give a rats ass about clt catering even though they should. Likewise I doubt more than 5 people in clt give a rip about deicing or lavs. Hopefully, the negotiation team wont take the advice of weez and bring a vote because this contract would get voted in just because of the bonus, buyout, and days off.

 

[WeAAsles]

Hopefully, the negotiation team wont take the advice of weez and bring a vote because this contract would get voted in just because of the bonus, buyout, and days off.

Stop your crap Tim.

 

[WeAAsles]

Everyone votes based on where they stand. CLT didnt care when the loss of 80 stations happened nor did they care when they voted to wipe out pay for non hub stations. Nothing against members voting from their own perspective because i dont know 2 people in ord, and we have 1500, that give a rats ass about clt catering even though they should. Likewise I doubt more than 5 people in clt give a rip about deicing or lavs. Hopefully, the negotiation team wont take the advice of weez and bring a vote because this contract would get voted in just because of the bonus, buyout, and days off.

ORD Fleet would not pass the garbage if it were sent out for a vote because they would not agree to give up their Deicing work and the wage rates would not help it to pass at all. And the Bonus is chintzy at best.

And President Juan Elvira would not endorse that proposal either.

 

[Kev3188]

Again although I won’t get into the back and forth of it with you...

Good idea.

BTW, I don’t live in a dirt cheap area.

The context was to come up with solutions on how to keep cities that economically due to low revenue generation could come up on the chopping block.

With all due respect, this tells me you may not understand how revenue management works in our industry. That’s not a put down, but it does illustrate the larger problem of labor not fully grasping the business side of things. We should. All of us. Glass and Co. are banking on everyone staying in the dark. An educated workforce is a dangerous one.

And if I’m EVER put into the position and a position I would prefer not to be in, I’ll vote you that paycut with the “choice” to move over voting you a closure with NO “choice” whatsoever in a heartbeat every day of the week. Every single solitary day of the week 100%.

Pro B-scale. Ok, got it.

Everyone votes based on where they stand. CLT didnt care when the loss of 80 stations happened nor did they care when they voted to wipe out pay for non hub stations. Nothing against members voting from their own perspective because i dont know 2 people in ord, and we have 1500, that give a rats ass about clt catering even though they should. Likewise I doubt more than 5 people in clt give a rip about deicing or lavs.

This is a better description of what I’m talking about. I’m not trying to single WeAAsles out; his posts are just a symptom of a much larger problem we all face in this industry.

 

[WeAAsles]

Good idea.

BTW, I don’t live in a dirt cheap area.



With all due respect, this tells me you may not understand how revenue management works in our industry. That’s not a put down, but it does illustrate the larger problem of labor not fully grasping the business side of things. We should. All of us. Glass and Co. are banking on everyone staying in the dark. An educated workforce is a dangerous one.

Pro B-scale. Ok, got it.

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Actually I’m pro B, C, D and F scale. I believe you should be paid accordingly to your geographic location. Locations such as NYC, NJ, DCA, LAX, SFO, BOS being a part of the A scale. MIA, FLL being part of the B scale. And your location being maybe on the B scale also. (Had to edit cause your location is more expensive than I thought)

But am I implying a regress from where you are currently you IGM greedy little Devil? No of course not. If it can be avoided not counting that BK gun that I KNOW can blow our heads clean off. Despite your little Social Media Anarchist Radical points of view that never really put that neck of yours on the real line.

“”“I’m sorry I couldn’t make that last meeting as I was a little busy”””

BTW that Airport I posted is in Bangladesh and I asked you if you could transfer there should you still be paid $30.00 American per hour for your work?

Tell me when you want to drop it there Joe “phony” Anarchist?

 

[WeAAsles]

Prevalence of Geographic Pay Differentials
According to compensation consultants Culpepper and Associates, among companies with work locations in more than one geographic area, geographic pay differentials are used by:

• 76% of companies with 100 or more employees
• 86% of companies with 10,000 or more employees

Computing Geographic Pay Differentials
Also according to Culpepper, of the companies with geographic pay differentials:

• 89% factor in local salary surveys
• 38% factor in the local cost of living
• 13% factor in inflation (CPI)
• 3% factor in unemployment or employment data
• 68% adjust the pay differentials annually
• 19% adjust the pay differentials every two years
• 4% adjust the pay differentials every three years

 

[Kev3188]

Geo pay (or COLA overrides) are wholly separate from what you’re describing above.

Do you honestly not know the difference, or is it just getting lost in translation?

 

[AANOTOK]

who said that? if the company made that clear, i believe we all would have known that.
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Steve refuses to improve your profit sharing plan. He also demanded in his infamous “take it or leave it” style that we should stop making such reasonable proposals. He does not think American should fairly share the industry-leading profits that Association members created.

http://www.twulocal513.org/docs/Association Bulletin Final 3-28-18.pdf

I agree, this probably isn't an official take it or leave it comment, but from listening to Parker yesterday they are waiting on the Association to reach out. He also hinted that all that would happen was they would take (weaken their offer) from one area to improve in another.

 

[WeAAsles]

Geo pay (or COLA overrides) are wholly separate from what you’re describing above.

Do you honestly not know the difference, or is it just getting lost in translation?

Kev this conversation is ridiculous. You can call it whatever you want but if a guy is getting paid more somewhere else he’s still going to think he’s getting ripped off cause he’s too dumb or greedy to think otherwise.

So yes I think I understand it better than you because you’re confusing the idea.

But since you want to continue on playing this game. Alright the BLS puts the average for what we do at about $12.00 per hour. So let’s set the floor there and you can attach all those cost of living allowances all over the Country if you want.

Use the CNN Calculator at your convenance.

 

[Kev3188]

I understand that you feel “lucky” to make what we do- you’ve posted that many times.

You’re also not alone- history shows that. That’s a big problem.

Companies know this and leverage it against us all the time. We (collectively) need to change that.

 

[WeAAsles]

I understand that you feel “lucky” to make what we do- you’ve posted that many times.

You’re also not alone- history shows that. That’s a big problem.

Companies know this and leverage it against us all the time. We (collectively) need to change that.

Well Kev if it’s your philosophy that workers should have no boundaries against what they demand from their employers and can never be satisfied as there are no plateaus, I just don’t subscribe with you on that.

It’s exhausting to spend (waste) your entire life in constant opposition to everything.

Sometimes WT was right I hate to say.

 

[cltrat]

Steve refuses to improve your profit sharing plan. He also demanded in his infamous “take it or leave it” style that we should stop making such reasonable proposals. He does not think American should fairly share the industry-leading profits that Association members created.

http://www.twulocal513.org/docs/Association Bulletin Final 3-28-18.pdf

I agree, this probably isn't an official take it or leave it comment, but from listening to Parker yesterday they are waiting on the Association to reach out. He also hinted that all that would happen was they would take (weaken their offer) from one area to improve in another.

nice to see Parker shown to be the liar we knew he was

 

[Kev3188]

We bring value to our respective operations. Don’t sell yourself short, WeAAsles.

 

[WeAAsles]

We bring value to our respective operations. Don’t sell yourself short, WeAAsles.

I NEVER sell myself short Kev. But I do have a point where I feel I’m being compensated and treated fairly and I don’t need to continue to endlessly Sabre rattle for more more more.

I can sit back and relax.

 

[Kev3188]

nice to see Parker shown to be the liar we knew he was

What took you so long? Lol.

Just curious; did you go to the meetings in CLT? If so, how were they?

I NEVER sell myself short Kev. But I do have a point where I feel I’m being compensated and treated fairly and I don’t need to continue to endlessly Sabre rattle for more more more.

I can sit back and relax.

That complacency is what got us all in this mess in the first place.